50 Year Old Tawnies - 1 October 2024

[M.Charlton]

Thanks folks - I've updated the attendee list in the first post based on the replies above.

[jdaw1]

Thanks folks - I've updated the attendee list in the first post based on the replies above.

1. MC; (confirmed - Sandeman, Kopke)
2. CLN; (confirmed - Sandeman)

Are two separate people, MC and CLN, both bringing Sandeman?

[flash_uk]

Arghh am afraid I now can’t make the 1st Michael. Gutted - won’t get the chance to taste these that often.

[M.Charlton]

Thanks folks - I've updated the attendee list in the first post based on the replies above.

1. MC; (confirmed - Sandeman, Kopke)
2. CLN; (confirmed - Sandeman)

Are two separate people, MC and CLN, both bringing Sandeman?

I'll bring Kopke, CLN will bring Sandeman.

[M.Charlton]

We're a team of 8, now. The Kopke and Sandeman are both ready. I've PM'd @nac re his bottle.

Here's what I propose ordering in from Portugal:

Poças (206.63 EUR)
Dalva (191.02 EUR)
Vista Alegre (185.81 EUR)
Messias (160.12 EUR)
Barão de Vilar (123.78 EUR)

and from VWP:

Quinta da Devesa 50 cL (£139)
Quinta da Devesa white 50 cL (£119)

(so ~£124 per man for both orders).

Given the turnout, I think the São Leonardo (at 416.63 EUR) and the Graham's (at 406.54 EUR) are probably a bridge too far? We're also sitting at 10 bottles, which I think is about right.

If I've missed anything, please let me know ASAP as I'd like to get in the order in over the next few days.

Thanks all!

[mcoulson]

Excellent... I'm very much in so I'd crack.on !

[CPR 1]

Sounds excellent, thank you

[Mike J. W.]

We're a team of 8, now. The Kopke and Sandeman are both ready. I've PM'd @nac re his bottle.

Here's what I propose ordering in from Portugal:

Poças (206.63 EUR)
Dalva (191.02 EUR)
Vista Alegre (185.81 EUR)
Messias (160.12 EUR)
Barão de Vilar (123.78 EUR)

and from VWP:

Quinta da Devesa 50 cL (£139)
Quinta da Devesa white 50 cL (£119)

(so ~£124 per man for both orders).

Given the turnout, I think the São Leonardo (at 416.63 EUR) and the Graham's (at 406.54 EUR) are probably a bridge too far? We're also sitting at 10 bottles, which I think is about right.

If I've missed anything, please let me know ASAP as I'd like to get in the order in over the next few days.

Thanks all!

I've only had the Pocas 50 year-old and in my opinion, it is excellent! I have 2 of them in the cellar from my recent trip with Glenn in May.

[M.Charlton]

Good stuff, folks.
Please send me any specific food orders by 22 September. I'll send the order to the B&F on 23 September, so absent any specific requests you will receive your default order (or, order on the night if you do not have a default order).
Cheers.

[M.Charlton]

@jdaw1
Thanks again for offering to prepare the placemats for the 50yo tasting. Here are the relevant details:

Wines (in no particular order)
1. Kopke (K)
2. Sandeman (S)
3. Taylor's (T)
4. Poças (Pç)
5. Dalva (Dl)
6. Vista Alegre (oooh - have I missed an abbreviation? (viewtopic.php?t=7008&hilit=abbreviations))
7. Messias (Ms)
8. Barão de Vilar (BV)
9. Quinta da Devesa (Dv)
10. Quinta da Devesa white (Dv or DvW, I wonder?)

All wines being brought by CLN except Taylor’s, which is being brought by NAC.

Attendees
1. Michael C. (MC)
2. Craig N. (CLN)
3. Neil C. (NAC)
4. Charles R. (CPR)
5. Martin C. (MSC)
6. Oliver C. (OJC)
7. Ian J. (IDJ).
8. Athelstane A. (ATOPA)

Re style, "Fri 16 Apr 2010 Pre-Warre Exercises" https://www.jdawiseman.com/papers/place ... #a20100416, please.

[jdaw1]

Current draft of the placemats; pictures added to first post. Please check thoroughly.

[M.Charlton]

Current draft of the placemats; pictures added to first post. Please check thoroughly.

Phenomenal speed - thanks!
On review, please could the following adaptations be made:

TC to MSC;
JGH to CPR; and
HTWH be removed.
Messias as Ms (for consistency with the abbreviations thread).
Date should be 1st October 2024.

[jdaw1]

Date should be 1st October 2024.

Silly. Apologies, and fixed.

TC to MSC;
JGH to CPR;

Done.

HTWH be removed.

My standing orders are to include Harry in everything: either he is coming, and comes; or he’s not coming, and comes anyway. Hence not done.


Please confirm now good.

[M.Charlton]

HTWH be removed.

My standing orders are to include Harry in everything: either he is coming, and comes; or he’s not coming, and comes anyway. Hence not done.


Please confirm now good.

Oh I see - makes sense!

All looks good, bar Messias being “MS” instead of “Ms” (massive pedantry on show I’m afraid), thank you.

[nac]

We're a team of 8, now. The Kopke and Sandeman are both ready. I've PM'd @nac re his bottle.

Here's what I propose ordering in from Portugal:

Poças (206.63 EUR)
Dalva (191.02 EUR)
Vista Alegre (185.81 EUR)
Messias (160.12 EUR)
Barão de Vilar (123.78 EUR)

and from VWP:

Quinta da Devesa 50 cL (£139)
Quinta da Devesa white 50 cL (£119)

(so ~£124 per man for both orders).

Given the turnout, I think the São Leonardo (at 416.63 EUR) and the Graham's (at 406.54 EUR) are probably a bridge too far? We're also sitting at 10 bottles, which I think is about right.

If I've missed anything, please let me know ASAP as I'd like to get in the order in over the next few days.

Thanks all!

Assume final accounting will take account of all supplied bottle costs?

[M.Charlton]

You’re correct, Neil - the above is purely for the “bulk order” purposes. Incidentally, the wines ordered from Portugal have arrived

[M.Charlton]

Good stuff, folks.
Please send me any specific food orders by 22 September. I'll send the order to the B&F on 23 September, so absent any specific requests you will receive your default order (or, order on the night if you do not have a default order).
Cheers.

Food order sent.

[nac]

Chaps

Apologies but I'm going to have to withdraw from this tasting.

Work issues make being in London that day difficult.

Neil

[jdaw1]

Apologies but I'm going to have to withdraw from this tasting.

Placemats updated: −NAC; −Taylor.

[M.Charlton]

Chaps

Apologies but I'm going to have to withdraw from this tasting.

Work issues make being in London that day difficult.

Neil

I have informed the Boot and Flogger.

[M.Charlton]

Apologies but I'm going to have to withdraw from this tasting.

Placemats updated: −NAC; −Taylor.

Thank you, Julian.
The placemats have been printed. I aim to be at the B&F tomorrow at around 1630/1700 to get things set up.
Very much looking forward to this one!

[forest26]

Sorry - I think I missed saving the final date. I am afraid I can not attend. Apologies

[idj123]

Trains are playing up a bit but should be there by 6.30pm ish.

[Mike J. W.]

How was the night? Is there a score sheet on this?

[Alex Bridgeman]

Yes please, someone post their thoughts on the wines and the scoresheet for those of us who couldn’t be there.

I’m thinking of Glenn, obviously, since I’m British and therefore only drink Vintage Port.

[M.Charlton]

Sorry folks, travelling at the moment so full details to follow next week. Meantime, WOTN below:

[M.Charlton]

Very surprised by the Sandeman!

[Mike J. W.]

Thank you for posting the score sheet, Michael. The scoring on the Kopke and Pocas doesn't surprise me; however, I am surprised that the Vista Alegre didn't garner any points. Their tawnies are usually pretty good.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Thanks for posting the score sheet Mike. That’s a very interesting result.

Very surprised by the Sandeman!

Most people seem to have gone for power over finesse in their 50yo blends with, in my limited experience, the notable exception of Sandeman. Their biggest and most powerful tawny is the 40yo with the 50yo being refined, elegant and incredibly complex.

I like that someone is standing out from the crowd but from the scoresheet it looks like they are struggling to find their market!

[MigSU]

Now I'm extremely tempted by that Kopke. I might be able to get it for 130/140 euros, it's very tempting.

[Mike J. W.]

Now I'm extremely tempted by that Kopke. I might be able to get it for 130/140 euros, it's very tempting.

That's a fantastic price. In the States, the average price is around 220€. Buy a Pocas as well if you can. I rated it very highly when I tasted it in Gaia.

[Glenn E.]

I’m thinking of Glenn, obviously, since I’m British and therefore only drink Vintage Port.

I'm not surprised by the Kopke and Pocas, but I am surprised that the Valegre didn't receive any votes or mentions at all. My memory of it is that it's a pretty amazing Port.