What are you standing in the cellar

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 17:28 Wed 21 Nov 2012

Got a 1947 Cockburn with Sushi this saturday

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 19:48 Wed 21 Nov 2012

1912 Niepoort Colheita is my favourit of the death row.

Axel

Chris Doty · Post by **Chris Doty** » 21:50 Wed 21 Nov 2012

an SOS '70 Croft.

Looks like the hangman is getting called up for turkeyday.

woo woo woo

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 22:41 Wed 21 Nov 2012

I've got a Cockburn 1970 on death row for later this week.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 22:46 Wed 21 Nov 2012

Chris Doty wrote:an SOS '70 Croft.

Looks like the hangman is getting called up for turkeyday.

woo woo woo

wanna join us on saturday?

Post by **DRT** » 23:26 Wed 21 Nov 2012

I really want to open my Cockburn 1847 on Friday but it would mean breaking into my last case.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 23:36 Wed 21 Nov 2012

DRT wrote:I really want to open my Cockburn 1847 on Friday but it would mean breaking into my last case.

Please don't...that case is on reserve for the "pint of port" tasting...

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 02:08 Thu 22 Nov 2012

In the spirit of 1970, I too shall have to go down into the cellar and open one for turkey day.

btw DRT, you wanan come saturday?

benread · Post by **benread** » 06:41 Thu 22 Nov 2012

AHB wrote:I've got a Cockburn 1970 on death row for later this week.

Look forward to hearing how this is right now. I have one or two!

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 15:16 Thu 22 Nov 2012

DRT wrote; I really want to open my Cockburn 1847 on Friday but it would mean breaking into my last case.

Opinion is divided on this year; Lord peter Wimsey thought it dead and Andre Simon thought it well and happy. As both notes are from the twenties you might want to have the blue nun on standby as back up.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:27 Thu 22 Nov 2012

benread wrote:
AHB wrote:I've got a Cockburn 1970 on death row for later this week.
Look forward to hearing how this is right now. I have one or two!

I had two, now I only have one! I will post a proper tasting note in due course, but for now I can tell you that after 2 hours in the decanter it is subdued on the nose but wonderful on the palate, full of balance and vigorous sweet cherry fruit.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 14:17 Fri 23 Nov 2012

Having now opened the Cockburn 1970, next to be stood up to settle is a bottle of Warre 1977. I haven't had a Warre 1977 for at least a couple of months! I'm really looking forward to being able to sip and savour it without the pressure of having to keep an eye on the time and make sure I don't miss my last train.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 18:52 Fri 23 Nov 2012

Warre 1980. I don't stand mine, I decant them from the supine position. Am I missing something? They seem to come cleaner off the crust.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 19:20 Fri 23 Nov 2012

LGTrotter wrote:Warre 1980. I don't stand mine, I decant them from the supine position. Am I missing something? They seem to come cleaner off the crust.

Presumably you first have to stand it to remove the capsule and un-cork the bottle?

Presuming your bottles have been resting nicely on their side, all that standing in advance does (as far as i can see) is mitigate the potential that the initial act of uprighting the bottle may disperse some fine sediment into the wine.

Personally, i think standing for a long period is probably of minimal value if the port has been resting on its side for a long period and is handled carefully when taken from the rack.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 19:44 Fri 23 Nov 2012

RAYC wrote:
LGTrotter wrote:Warre 1980. I don't stand mine, I decant them from the supine position. Am I missing something? They seem to come cleaner off the crust.
Presumably you first have to stand it to remove the capsule and un-cork the bottle?

Presuming your bottles have been resting nicely on their side, all that standing in advance does (as far as i can see) is mitigate the potential that the initial act of uprighting the bottle may disperse some fine sediment into the wine.

Personally, i think standing for a long period is probably of minimal value if the port has been resting on its side for a long period and is handled carefully when taken from the rack.

You're right in that they are not kept absolutely horizontal during the uncorking palaver. Having observed how accuracy is valued here I am loath to guess, but I would say about 15 to 20 degrees from the horizontal is enough when uncorking/decapsuling to prevent spillage. I may have to find the school protractor, and try to avoid stabbing myself with the compass.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 20:13 Fri 23 Nov 2012

LGTrotter wrote:Warre 1980. I don't stand mine, I decant them from the supine position. Am I missing something? They seem to come cleaner off the crust.

I don't think you are missing anything; at least I don't think you are if your method works for you.

Personally, with the space I have to work in I find that standing my bottle up for 2-3 days before I decant it allows all the loose sediment to settle to the bottom of the bottle and that seems to work for me. But I can see that if you decant from a gentle angle there is likely to be less disturbing of the sediment.

What sort of tilt can you get away with when you draw the cork and decant that first "glug"?

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 21:08 Fri 23 Nov 2012

AHB wrote:
LGTrotter wrote:Warre 1980. I don't stand mine, I decant them from the supine position. Am I missing something? They seem to come cleaner off the crust.
I don't think you are missing anything; at least I don't think you are if your method works for you.

Personally, with the space I have to work in I find that standing my bottle up for 2-3 days before I decant it allows all the loose sediment to settle to the bottom of the bottle and that seems to work for me. But I can see that if you decant from a gentle angle there is likely to be less disturbing of the sediment.

What sort of tilt can you get away with when you draw the cork and decant that first "glug"?

I think the answer is in my previous post, but so delighted to be getting responses from the forum's heavy hitters that I can't resist replying. Surely the angle is the same for everyone, assuming a standard fill?

Incidentally I'm a bit concerned about apostrophe crime potential on 'forum's' but I think it is only one forum I am referring to rather than the plural 'heavy hitters'.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 21:23 Fri 23 Nov 2012

LGTrotter wrote:but I would say about 15 to 20 degrees from the horizontal is enough when uncorking/decapsuling to prevent spillage.

Wow...i'm intrigued....i have never attempted to uncork at anything other than the vertical! (student days excepted)

And would not feel confident of my prospects on some bottles given the usual state of pre-1990 corks...

Do you have one of these, or just a very steady hand?!

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 21:29 Fri 23 Nov 2012

Worth mentioning, in the context of this conversation, that the best £30 i have ever spent on wine paraphanalia is this (also endorsed, i believe, by DRT).

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 23:12 Fri 23 Nov 2012

RAYC wrote:
LGTrotter wrote:but I would say about 15 to 20 degrees from the horizontal is enough when uncorking/decapsuling to prevent spillage.
Wow...i'm intrigued....i have never attempted to uncork at anything other than the vertical! (student days excepted)

And would not feel confident of my prospects on some bottles given the usual state of pre-1990 corks...

Do you have one of these, or just a very steady hand?!

How I have coveted one of these twiddly decanting things since I first saw them! I resisted the urge due to more pressing demands on my purse (port fr'instance). You are spot on about the corks, a crumbly one is irksome, however as the bottle is cradled in an unloved cushion over an impervious floor I am relaxed about dribbles. I should probably get a port slide.

I have remarkably unsteady hand.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 02:19 Sat 24 Nov 2012

how would one tong a bottle on its side I wonder, or perhaps the better question may be, how would one tong a bottle on its side and still have contents remaining for drinking

Post by **DRT** » 12:20 Sat 24 Nov 2012

RAYC wrote:Worth mentioning, in the context of this conversation, that the best £30 i have ever spent on wine paraphanalia is this (also endorsed, i believe, by DRT).

Confirmed. Everyone here should have one of those.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 00:38 Fri 19 Apr 2013

RAYC wrote: Do you have one of these, or just a very steady hand?!

Tonight, I watched The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, one of Billy Wilder's strangest films.. Christopher Lee, playing Holmes's brother Mycroft, pours 3 glasses of 1814 Madeira using a screw-tilt thingummy like this. Quite hilarious.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 01:02 Sat 20 Apr 2013

Fantastic, Basil Rathbone in the lead?

Post by **jdaw1** » 10:38 Sat 20 Apr 2013

djewesbury wrote:1814 Madeira

Never seen a ’14 before. Are you sure it wasn’t 1815?

Post by **DRT** » 10:46 Sat 20 Apr 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:1814 Madeira
Never seen a ’14 before. Are you sure it wasn’t 1815?

Page 147 of the script says 1814.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:03 Sat 20 Apr 2013

DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:1814 Madeira
Never seen a ’14 before. Are you sure it wasn’t 1815?
Page 147 of the script says 1814.

Thank you DRT. I was certain my memory was correct on this occasion.. Doesn't Mycroft say something about it dating from the year before Waterloo..?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:09 Sat 20 Apr 2013

LGTrotter wrote:Fantastic, Basil Rathbone in the lead?

Not Rathbone, Robert Stephens. The campest Holmes ever. He was married to Maggie Smith, and channels Miss Jean Brodie all the way through, as one of the people I was with pointed out...

Post by **jdaw1** » 12:31 Sat 20 Apr 2013

DRT wrote:Page 147 of the script says 1814.

The Script wrote:I have a treat for you -- a very old Madeira -- 1814. There are only six bottles left in the world. I have two of them, and am negotiating for a third.

Which explains my non-acquaintance with it.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 16:52 Sat 20 Apr 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:Page 147 of the script says 1814.
The Script wrote:I have a treat for you -- a very old Madeira -- 1814. There are only six bottles left in the world. I have two of them, and am negotiating for a third.
Which explains my non-acquaintance with it.

This leaves three bottles unaccounted for. I'm expecting a full report..

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:21 Sat 20 Apr 2013

djewesbury wrote:This leaves three bottles unaccounted for. I'm expecting a full report..

Probably one of them was drunk at The Bell, a year I was abroad. Leaving only two.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 09:33 Sun 21 Apr 2013

This seems to be my 100th post. What am I now?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 09:34 Sun 21 Apr 2013

Oh that's nice. Fonseca LBV, yes, I'll drink (to) that.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 16:26 Thu 02 May 2013

Now is our chance. This would look just swell mounted on the end-table in the Bung Hole.

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 22:35 Thu 02 May 2013

It was standing for about 3 hours after I got it home from the store. Now it's open.... 2007 Quarles Harris LBV

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:39 Thu 02 May 2013

Andy Velebil wrote:It was standing for about 3 hours after I got it home from the store. Now it's open.... 2007 Quarles Harris LBV

Post a TN won't you, curious to hear what this is like..

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 00:04 Fri 03 May 2013

djewesbury wrote:
Andy Velebil wrote:It was standing for about 3 hours after I got it home from the store. Now it's open.... 2007 Quarles Harris LBV
Post a TN won't you, curious to hear what this is like..

I will prob follow this over a couple days..if it lasts that long

Will post a TN soon

mosesbotbol · Post by **mosesbotbol** » 19:51 Mon 06 May 2013

'63 & 66 Grahams, need someone to help me drink them.

John M · Post by **John M** » 22:15 Mon 06 May 2013

mosesbotbol wrote:
'63 & 66 Grahams, need someone to help me drink them.

Road Trip!

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 18:45 Thu 13 Jun 2013

1 x G83.
A 30th birthday tomorrow. In the main, they are not port drinkers. So this is personal consumption. I hope.

gerwin.degraaf · Post by **gerwin.degraaf** » 20:59 Thu 13 Jun 2013

To be opened coming Sunday (for my and my dad's Fathersday

): Niepoort 1997.
It'll be the first time I'll be opening such a youngster, but while opening my 6 botle case yesterday (in order to make some more room in my cellar, as bottles take up much less space than when still in the OWC), I found that one of the bottles was/is showing signs of seepage (and rather a lot of it

). So I'm hoping it will still give enjoyment coming Sunday !

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 21:07 Thu 13 Jun 2013

gerwin.degraaf wrote:one of the bottles was/is showing signs of seepage (and rather a lot of it ).

Oh.. just bought a few bottles of this. Hope yours is OK!

gerwin.degraaf · Post by **gerwin.degraaf** » 21:28 Thu 13 Jun 2013

djewesbury wrote:
gerwin.degraaf wrote:one of the bottles was/is showing signs of seepage (and rather a lot of it ).
Oh.. just bought a few bottles of this. Hope yours is OK!

Thanks, I'm hoping it is too! I will report back on how it turned out

.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 21:39 Thu 13 Jun 2013

gerwin.degraaf wrote:To be opened coming Sunday (for my and my dad's Fathersday ): Niepoort 1997.
It'll be the first time I'll be opening such a youngster, but while opening my 6 botle case yesterday (in order to make some more room in my cellar, as bottles take up much less space than when still in the OWC), I found that one of the bottles was/is showing signs of seepage (and rather a lot of it ). So I'm hoping it will still give enjoyment coming Sunday !

It might be worth having a back-up. As well as the seepage problem, a lot of these bottles (even the "non-seepers") have serious VA problems. I have sore experience with this wine. But the nice bottles are really very nice.

See this thread for the background where Andy V. quoted some interesting emails from Dirk N. about this wine.

gerwin.degraaf · Post by **gerwin.degraaf** » 21:59 Thu 13 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:
gerwin.degraaf wrote:To be opened coming Sunday (for my and my dad's Fathersday ): Niepoort 1997.
It'll be the first time I'll be opening such a youngster, but while opening my 6 botle case yesterday (in order to make some more room in my cellar, as bottles take up much less space than when still in the OWC), I found that one of the bottles was/is showing signs of seepage (and rather a lot of it ). So I'm hoping it will still give enjoyment coming Sunday !
It might be worth having a back-up. As well as the seepage problem, a lot of these bottles (even the "non-seepers") have serious VA problems. I have sore experience with this wine. But the nice bottles are really very nice.

See this thread for the background where Andy V. quoted some interesting emails from Dirk N. about this wine.

Thanks for the tip Rob (should have thought of it myself as well of course!).

I'll make sure to stand up a back-up bottle (I am tempted to take out a 1991 Q. de Vargellas to see where that one is in it's development). And even when the Niepoort 1997 turns out allright, it would be a bit of a hassle to lay the Vargellas down again of course

gerwin.degraaf · Post by **gerwin.degraaf** » 18:28 Mon 17 Jun 2013

gerwin.degraaf wrote:
RAYC wrote:
gerwin.degraaf wrote:To be opened coming Sunday (for my and my dad's Fathersday ): Niepoort 1997.
It'll be the first time I'll be opening such a youngster, but while opening my 6 botle case yesterday (in order to make some more room in my cellar, as bottles take up much less space than when still in the OWC), I found that one of the bottles was/is showing signs of seepage (and rather a lot of it ). So I'm hoping it will still give enjoyment coming Sunday !
It might be worth having a back-up. As well as the seepage problem, a lot of these bottles (even the "non-seepers") have serious VA problems. I have sore experience with this wine. But the nice bottles are really very nice.

See this thread for the background where Andy V. quoted some interesting emails from Dirk N. about this wine.
Thanks for the tip Rob (should have thought of it myself as well of course!). I'll make sure to stand up a back-up bottle (I am tempted to take out a 1991 Q. de Vargellas to see where that one is in it's development). And even when the Niepoort 1997 turns out allright, it would be a bit of a hassle to lay the Vargellas down again of course

It seems I've been lucky

! The bottle showed great (with an extended decant time at least). Will post a TN in a bit!

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 12:35 Wed 25 Sep 2013

We've let this thread slide a little. I'm sure we've drunk something since June..

I am standing a bottle of Warre 85 for dinner.

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:48 Wed 25 Sep 2013

A pre-WW2 bottle with signs of slight seepage, to be drunk in The Bell in December.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 14:11 Wed 25 Sep 2013

jdaw1 wrote:A pre-WW2 bottle with signs of slight seepage, to be drunk in The Bell in December.

You win.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 09:04 Thu 26 Sep 2013

The remnants of a really stinky bottle of Graham Vintage XXXX from last night. I promised I would see if it got any better after 24 hours.