Fakes in auctions

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 12:06 Sat 04 Jan 2014

There is an item coming up about fakes sold in auction houses coming up on BBC Radio 4's Moneybox programme, on now (Sat 12 - 12.30 pm). This might be of interest to some..?

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 12:35 Sat 04 Jan 2014

Do you think I need to send those 600 Noval Nacional 31 back?

I was reading Le Carre the other day (sorry about the literature again) and there was a line about how people tend to believe in fakes that they have paid top dollar for. I have the sense that hubris has played a big part in this, hubris on the part of collectors (terrible word). I cannot imagine that many on this forum would fall into this particular elephant trap.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 12:38 Sat 04 Jan 2014

Collectors is a terrible word? Because they collect instead of drinking it, you mean?

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 12:49 Sat 04 Jan 2014

djewesbury wrote:Collectors is a terrible word? Because they collect instead of drinking it, you mean?

People collect stamps and butterflies, they should be drinking port. I think the reason I am so opposed to it is that I see a good deal of the collector in myself.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 12:52 Sat 04 Jan 2014

LGTrotter wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Collectors is a terrible word? Because they collect instead of drinking it, you mean?
People collect stamps and butterflies, they should be drinking port. I think the reason I am so opposed to it is that I see a good deal of the collector in myself.

Oh, me too. As a child I used to collect stamps, fossils, I have thousands of records, a little bit of art.. And now, port. But I think I've drunk more or less all my initial purchases.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 13:06 Sat 04 Jan 2014

It relates to getting it over with, I love the ephemeral nature of wine. It may be a Nacional 63 or whatever, but once you open it all that disappears and you are left with a bottle of wine. Which you either like or not. Seems less messy than stamps somehow.

I have wandered away from the title, apologies.

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 14:40 Sat 04 Jan 2014

I will guess that coming program will focus on Rudy Kurniawan's trial and his years of making/selling fake old and young Burgandy, Bordeaux, and California wines.

Rudy was recently convicted and awaiting sentencing.

If you want to see some of the Fed's pictures from evidence
This link is from pics the fed's took at his house after serving a search warrant on it.
http://s1049.photobucket.com/user/donco ... M.jpg.html

Post by **DRT** » 14:49 Sat 04 Jan 2014

Andy Velebil wrote:I will guess that coming program will focus on Rudy Kurniawan's trial and his years of making/selling fake old and young Burgandy, Bordeaux, and California wines.

Not that exciting. The slot on the programme was about a woman who thought she had bought a Faberge egg at an auction. I don't think we can blame Rudy for that one.

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 14:53 Sat 04 Jan 2014

DRT wrote:
Andy Velebil wrote:I will guess that coming program will focus on Rudy Kurniawan's trial and his years of making/selling fake old and young Burgandy, Bordeaux, and California wines.
Not that exciting. The slot on the programme was about a woman who thought she had bought a Faberge egg at an auction. I don't think we can blame Rudy for that one.

Probably not. But maybe we can make a connection if we try hard

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 14:57 Sat 04 Jan 2014

It wasn't even a fake Fabergé egg. It was a fake Fabergé piglet. I think the Feds found a ton of them in the cupboard under Rudi's stairs.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 16:42 Sat 04 Jan 2014

I wonder if Rudi's defence that he was part of a wider scam will come to much? The brothers Koch may have the funds to find out.

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