Pushing water up a hill!
Pushing water up a hill!
This is from the wine list of the shop at a London venue which markets itself as a place where enthusiasts can learn about their favourite wines!

"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
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Andy Velebil
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Pushing water up a hill!
Vintage Port huh? Wow and I thought you UK people knew everything there was to know about Port
lol
Re: Pushing water up a hill!
figure at the price you have more money than sense i guess.
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Re: Pushing water up a hill!
At a stretch, "vintage" is probably capable of being understood in its general sense - i.e. "an 1855-vintage port"; a "pre-phylloxera-vintage port". At least they are clear that this has been aged in wood.
Given that there must have been some yearly evaporation, I'm still keen to see a well-reasoned explanation about how a two casks of 1855-vintage port survived unadulterated for 150+ years! In view of the fact that there hasn't been, i actually think the last sentence of this website description is remarkably accurate!!
Given that there must have been some yearly evaporation, I'm still keen to see a well-reasoned explanation about how a two casks of 1855-vintage port survived unadulterated for 150+ years! In view of the fact that there hasn't been, i actually think the last sentence of this website description is remarkably accurate!!
Rob C.
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Re: Pushing water up a hill!
Especially since everything I'd heard prior to this was that it was actually three casks.RAYC wrote:Given that there must have been some yearly evaporation, I'm still keen to see a well-reasoned explanation about how a two casks of 1855-vintage port survived unadulterated for 150+ years!
Perhaps they found 3 and combined the remains to yield 2?
Even that doesn't jive with the rule-of-thumb 3% evaporation rate per year in cask. Even if they managed to keep it down to 1% per year there would still only be ~2/3 of a single cask remaining if they started with 3 full ones. To have 2 casks left out of 3 to start they'd have needed to manage a mere three tenths of a percent evaporation per year. Not likely.
Glenn Elliott
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uinless it was buried under water in a complete air tight seal.Glenn E. wrote:Especially since everything I'd heard prior to this was that it was actually three casks.RAYC wrote:Given that there must have been some yearly evaporation, I'm still keen to see a well-reasoned explanation about how a two casks of 1855-vintage port survived unadulterated for 150+ years!![]()
Perhaps they found 3 and combined the remains to yield 2?
Even that doesn't jive with the rule-of-thumb 3% evaporation rate per year in cask. Even if they managed to keep it down to 1% per year there would still only be ~2/3 of a single cask remaining if they started with 3 full ones. To have 2 casks left out of 3 to start they'd have needed to manage a mere three tenths of a percent evaporation per year. Not likely.
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Glenn E.
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The perfect decanter for this Port... http://albumcarafe7.blogspot.com/
Seriously. If you're going to spend 2000 Euros on the Port, you might as well spend 2000 Euros on the decanter amirite?
Seriously. If you're going to spend 2000 Euros on the Port, you might as well spend 2000 Euros on the decanter amirite?
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Re: Pushing water up a hill!
Those are fantastic. I’d love to have one! Though I bet the average University science-department glass-blower could probably whip one up with less obvious joints for about 10% of the price...Glenn E. wrote:The perfect decanter for this Port... http://albumcarafe7.blogspot.com/
Seriously. If you're going to spend 2000 Euros on the Port, you might as well spend 2000 Euros on the decanter amirite?
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Ouch...perhaps Zelandkh could get his dad to give us a quote instead...!JacobH wrote:Those are fantastic. I’d love to have one! Though I bet the average University science-department glass-blower could probably whip one up with less obvious joints for about 10% of the price...Glenn E. wrote:The perfect decanter for this Port... http://albumcarafe7.blogspot.com/
Seriously. If you're going to spend 2000 Euros on the Port, you might as well spend 2000 Euros on the decanter amirite?
Number 5 also claims to be 75cl, but i'd be astounded if that were correct....
Rob C.
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Re: Pushing water up a hill!
Note the height - 2, 5, and 6 are all 60+ cm tall. 7's much thicker ... um, roots?... are necessary to manage 75 cl with "just" 39 cm of height.
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Anyone who as ever tried to drink a yard of ale will see the flaw in this design..
..there is no way you will get a steady pour..
..there is no way you will get a steady pour..
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly - W.S. Churchill
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a very good point!uncle tom wrote:Anyone who as ever tried to drink a yard of ale will see the flaw in this design..
..there is no way you will get a steady pour..
Rob C.
