1977's - Tue 11th June 2024

[winesecretary]

1977 Napa? I will try to arrive early…

[nac]

1977 Napa? I will try to arrive early…

Me too!

[jdaw1]

The the placemats have been added to the first post.

[winesecretary]

@ Julian - is the N actually Ni? I can’t remember my abbreviations.

[PhilW]

@ Julian - is the N actually Ni? I can’t remember my abbreviations.

Yes.
N = (Quinta do) Noval
Ni = Niepoort

Ni77 and Ni77c (assuming colheita not garrafeira which would be Ni77g)

[PhilW]

I suspect that the Offley will also be Offley Boa Vista, OBV77 rather than O77, though Offley/OBV often (if not always) effectively synonymous.

[PhilW]

Additionally, the circle-text for BBR is currently "Berry Bros & Rudd Selection" where in fact the brand is "Berry's Own Selection" as produced by "Berry Bros. & Rudd" (note the period also). Admittedly we didn't help ourselves here by choosing the abbreviation BBR per bottler rather than the brand name, but it is what we are familiar with (and perhaps more recognisable). Suggest either:
"Berry's Own Selection" per the actual brand, or
"Berry Bros. & Rudd" correcting punctuation, or
"Berry Bros. & Rudd's Selection" as equivalent pseudo-brand (with corrected punctuation and grammar).

[jdaw1]

@ Julian - is the N actually Ni? I can’t remember my abbreviations.

Yes.

Done.

I suspect that the Offley will also be Offley Boa Vista, OBV77 rather than O77

Done.

"Berry's Own Selection" per the actual brand

Done.

correcting punctuation

The text did have a dot, placed as BBR themselves place it. (Picture from previous version, not this one.)

I don’t believe that “correcting punctuation” is quite worthy of a dawn duel in New Jersey, but it cannot be far shy of it.

[jdaw1]

In a recent Dr Who episode they returned to June 2024, and behold screen grab. The Time Lords knew that this was going to happen.



Luckily, the stairs at the B&F are Dalek-proof.

[jdaw1]

I can’t remember my abbreviations.

Abbreviations.

[jdaw1]

G77 found and standing.

[Alex Bridgeman]

G77 found and standing.

Has Martin done his spreadsheet wizardry and allocated who is bringing what?

[CPR 1]

Has Martin done his spreadsheet wizardry and allocated who is bringing what?

Yes the first post has been updated

However I am not sure the placemats fully reflect this as there is a QH on the placemats but not on the bottle list and Alex is due to due to bring 'M' but this is not on the placemats

[idj123]

Has Martin done his spreadsheet wizardry and allocated who is bringing what?

Yes the first post has been updated

However I am not sure the placemats fully reflect this as there is a QH on the placemats but not on the bottle list and Alex is due to due to bring 'M' but this is not on the placemats

Yes and ‘M’ is on the bottle list but not the placemats as far as I can see.

[PhilW]

correcting punctuation

The text did have a dot, placed as BBR themselves place it. (Picture from previous version, not this one.)
I don’t believe that “correcting punctuation” is quite worthy of a dawn duel in New Jersey, but it cannot be far shy of it.

My error; sackcloth and ashes.

[mcoulson]

Hello Everybody .....

I believe I have updated the first post with all the bottles now .....

Julian would you be so kind as to squeeze the last bottles into the placements for us ?

[PhilW]

Yes and ‘M’ is on the bottle list but not the placemats as far as I can see.

Possibly because we don't know what 'M' is?
It might be Morgan (Mg), Martinez (Mz), Martha (Mt), Mackenzie (Mk), Messias (Ms) or possibly something else; Martin?

[MigSU]

Maynard's?

[CPR 1]

Yes and ‘M’ is on the bottle list but not the placemats as far as I can see.

Possibly because we don't know what 'M' is?
It might be Morgan (Mg), Martinez (Mz), Martha (Mt), Mackenzie (Mk), Messias (Ms) or possibly something else; Martin?

I believe it should be Morgan - Mg - Martin / Alex please confirm

[mcoulson]

Hello ... I've added the missing 'g'

[Christopher]

can I please go on the reserve list

[mcoulson]

can I please go on the reserve list

certainly can ... I've added you ...

[jdaw1]

Yes and ‘M’ is on the bottle list but not the placemats as far as I can see.

Possibly because we don't know what 'M' is?

It might be Morgan (Mg), Martinez (Mz), Martha (Mt), Mackenzie (Mk), Messias (Ms) or possibly something else; Martin?

Are you hypothesising Mackenzie 1977 and Martinez 1977 before or after consulting the book? As for Martha, well, tut tut.

Julian would you be so kind as to squeeze the last bottles into the placements for us ?

In a few days the placemats will be updated, after a small improvement to the software is done.

[Alex Bridgeman]

OK. Good.

I need to go and find the Morgan 1977 tomorrow.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Hello ... I've added the missing 'g'

OK. Good.

I need to go and find the Morgan 1977 tomorrow.

[cem]

Okay after having a look at what's being brought, I will add a couple of oddities that don't appear to exist (as per Mighty Tome 2nd Edition.)

Ducal 1977 VP
Morano 1977 VP

Also there is the inexcusable omission of Gould Campbell. I have never had a corked bottle, however on reflection I believe every one I have opened in the past has been from a stash in Australia - maybe that was a good batch?

Anyhow I will also bring a Mag of GC77 stored in the UK so this tasting's reputation is not irreparably harmed.

[jdaw1]

Anyhow I will also bring a Mag of GC77 stored in the UK so this tasting's reputation is not irreparably harmed.

GC77 in magnum has an excellent reputation. In single, not so much. I have both, and am willing to bring.

[mcoulson]

Okay after having a look at what's being brought, I will add a couple of oddities that don't appear to exist (as per Mighty Tome 2nd Edition.)

Ducal 1977 VP
Morano 1977 VP

Also there is the inexcusable omission of Gould Campbell. I have never had a corked bottle, however on reflection I believe every one I have opened in the past has been from a stash in Australia - maybe that was a good batch?

Anyhow I will also bring a Mag of GC77 stored in the UK so this tasting's reputation is not irreparably harmed.

Thanks for stepping in like this

[mcoulson]

I have consulted with Julian and he's going to bring one of his suspicious GC77's and I'll bring one of my not quite so suspicious G77

That way we get all three to compare together .....

Julian - I think the placements need tweaking .....

[PhilW]

If we're having a few oddities, why don't I bring the Factory House 77 as an interesting bonus as well; it's not a great port, but some won't have seen/tried?

[idj123]

Crikey, gird the loins for this tasting, as we are fast approaching the equivalent of two dozen bottles! And talking of tastings within tastings, if we had the Ni g ((which sadly I do not), then we would have another one…

[mcoulson]

If we're having a few oddities, why don't I bring the Factory House 77 as an interesting bonus as well; it's not a great port, but some won't have seen/tried?

Excellent - I've added this to the front post .... 22 bottles .... perhaps we should stop adding bottles now ....

Then again .....

[jdaw1]

There will be fourteen of us, likely all full-capacity drinkers, and 14 × 1¼ = 17½. Table space limits us to 1×A3 + 1×A4, so to about 15 + 6 = 21 glasses. Would it be wrong to have between 18 and 20?

Table space is a genuine constraint.

It is more efficient if printing onto trimmed /A2 (e.g., Vesuvio on 24 Feb 2016, Rosa originally scheduled for 8 July 2021 — observe that 13 < 2 + 7√3 ≈ 14.1). Can anybody print to trimmed /A2?

[cem]

Crikey, gird the loins for this tasting, as we are fast approaching the equivalent of two dozen bottles! And talking of tastings within tastings, if we had the Ni g ((which sadly I do not), then we would have another one…

Funny I was thinking the same thing last night...kind of dumb not to include it

[Andy Velebil]

Crikey, gird the loins for this tasting, as we are fast approaching the equivalent of two dozen bottles! And talking of tastings within tastings, if we had the Ni g ((which sadly I do not), then we would have another one…

I think the record for a large tasting is still the Fonseca tasting many years ago at the RAF club. Around 34-ish bottles (including dinner wines, excluding beer) IIRC. We started early, took a dinner break, and came back for round two. Worked out very nicely for so many bottles.

[jdaw1]

I think the record for a large tasting is still the Fonseca tasting many years ago at the RAF club. Around 34-ish bottles (including dinner wines, excluding beer) IIRC. We started early, took a dinner break, and came back for round two. Worked out very nicely for so many bottles.

04 Apr 2011, Fonseca Guimaraens, and some Fonseca (review, planning, with 32 spots on the placemats).

(Not a placemat design that I would choose to repeat.)

[jdaw1]

For this small humble tasting, the placemats have been updated (images in first post). Somebody please check. The glasses pages are now on A2, which is to be trimmed.

Top trim 81.5mm ~= 3.21" ~= 231pt below top edge of A2 paper. Post-trim page height ~= 338.5mm ~= 13.33" ~= 959pt.

[jdaw1]

24 glasses + 1 spare, times 14 people, is 350 stems. It might be polite to give the B&F more advance notice of plans than has hitherto been customary.

[Alex Bridgeman]

There will be fourteen of us, likely all full-capacity drinkers, and 14 × 1¼ = 17½. Table space limits us to 1×A3 + 1×A4, so to about 15 + 6 = 21 glasses. Would it be wrong to have between 18 and 20?

Table space is a genuine constraint.

It is more efficient if printing onto trimmed /A2 (e.g., Vesuvio on 24 Feb 2016, Rosa originally scheduled for 8 July 2021 — observe that 13 < 2 + 7√3 ≈ 14.1). Can anybody print to trimmed /A2?

The ovens can hold 20+ people around a table for dinner. Perhaps that would give more space for more stems.

[jdaw1]

The ovens can hold 20+ people around a table for dinner. Perhaps that would give more space for more stems.

The current design, twenty-four circles on trimmed /A2, has a width of 594mm ≈ /A4 × 2.83, so would fit comfortably in the Red Room.

But we are T minus fifteen days: how likely is it that we will hold at 24 bottles?

[Alex Bridgeman]

This has just popped up in my diary as something I need to start thinking about. Better go and find that Morgan 1977...

[CPR 1]

I am listed as, and planning to bring both the Delaforce and Fonseca Panascal - Neither seem to have made it on to the draft place mats

QH is on the place mats currently but no one is listed as bringing this (we have a BBR which is likely QH) do we want a QH? do we have room for one? if yes to both I will bring one

[mcoulson]

I'm away for the weekend but will clarify this lot upon my return ....

I'm here if anybody cares ...

https://www.emfcamp.org/about

[Alex Bridgeman]

I am listed as, and planning to bring both the Delaforce and Fonseca Panascal - Neither seem to have made it on to the draft place mats

QH is on the place mats currently but no one is listed as bringing this (we have a BBR which is likely QH) do we want a QH? do we have room for one? if yes to both I will bring one

Since Martin is away I think it’s down to us all to make his decisions for him.

Obviously his answer will be “Yes. We need both. Thank you Charles.”

[jdaw1]

The placemats have been updated, I hope correctly. It is the first time that the placemats have filled an A2 page.

Fourteen of us; twenty-six bottles, ‘only’ two of which are magnums. It seems that we won’t be going thirsty.

[hadge]

it good to see that you are planning for the 50% hit rate of this vintage!

[idj123]

I am listed as, and planning to bring both the Delaforce and Fonseca Panascal - Neither seem to have made it on to the draft place mats

QH is on the place mats currently but no one is listed as bringing this (we have a BBR which is likely QH) do we want a QH? do we have room for one? if yes to both I will bring one

I was going to say that MC (Michael) has a QH and possibly could swap it for the RO proffered (the QH being the better wine) as opposed to Charles bringing a third bottle.

[flash_uk]

I'm away for the weekend but will clarify this lot upon my return ....

I'm here if anybody cares ...

https://www.emfcamp.org/about

Mental! There are also people that would pay money for the exact opposite

[jdaw1]

Fourteen of us; twenty-six bottles, ‘only’ two of which are magnums. It seems that we won’t be going thirsty.

Actually, please allow a stronger opinion. This is out of control. The B&F is unlikely to be able or willing to provide so many glasses (28 × 14 = 392), and we won’t manage to drink everything before closing time. Please could we delete some bottles. Suggestions: both single Gould Campbells; the Morano; the Ducal; the Royal Oporto. And a few more.

[mcoulson]

I tend to agree a bit here and unless anyone has a good reason why I should not I'll do a bit of pruning when I'm back home Monday ....