Youngest never-tasted vintage?

[jdaw1]

What is the most recent, the youngest, general declaration of which you have never tasted a Port?

[jdaw1]

I have never tasted a 1904.

[Glenn E.]

Hmm... I believe mine would be a 1945, though I own one in my Graham vertical.

[DRT]

I have never tasted a 1904.

Are you certain about that?

[jdaw1]

I have never tasted a 1904.

Are you certain about that?

S1904, though apparently please could somebody with a better memory post the details sufficiently associated with Hardy Rodenstock to be a possible fake.

The failure of grammar is regretted.

[DRT]

But AHB reported that the cork looked correct and was branded "Vintage 1904", so it is perfectly possible that you have tasted a 1904.

[RonnieRoots]

Just as Glenn, 1945. So if anyone comes over to visit, please bring a 1945.

[John M]

1966 for me...then 1955.

[DRT]

I don't think I have tasted an 1887.

I have tasted at least one VP from every general declaration since that vintage.

[Andy Velebil]

I don't think I have tasted an 1887.

I have tasted at least one VP from every general declaration since that vintage.

+1

[PhilW]

1912 - though I have had a "believed 1912" unknown, in which case 1908.
Or 1947 if that year is deemed to have been declared sufficiently to count (I think small, rather than general, declaration that year).

[Alex Bridgeman]

1912 - though I have had a "believed 1912" unknown, in which case 1908.
Or 1947 if that year is deemed to have been declared sufficiently to count (I think small, rather than general, declaration that year).

1947/1948 was a split declaration so that would certainly count.

Perhaps something to gently remind us of as we approach the Christmas tasting...

By the way, this is a great thread and one well worth posting on FTLOP if you have the chance to do so.

[LGTrotter]

My vintages are a little less archaic. Never had a 2009 or a 2007.

[jdaw1]

By the way, this is a great thread and one well worth posting on FTLOP if you have the chance to do so.

Done.

My vintages are a little less archaic. Never had a 2009 or a 2007.

Excluding vintages from the most recent decade, what is the most recent, the youngest, general declaration of which you have never tasted a Port?

Owen caused the question to be rephrased.

[PhilW]

1912 - though I have had a "believed 1912" unknown, in which case 1908.
Or 1947 if that year is deemed to have been declared sufficiently to count (I think small, rather than general, declaration that year).

1947/1948 was a split declaration so that would certainly count.

...though I have had the 48, if that is all part of the same single split declaration. Perhaps we'll just have to have to make sure we have a '12 and an '08 for me (just to be sure), an '04 for Julian, I can bring the 1887 for Derek, with a '45 for Glenn, and ?? for Alex? I'm up for this tasting anytime btw

[Glenn E.]

1947/1948 was a split declaration so that would certainly count.

I had forgotten that, but conveniently I've also had a 1947 so my guess is still 1945.

I cannot remember a specific tasting during which I tasted a 1975, though, so it's possible that my youngest is actually much younger. I suspect that I've had a 1975 somewhere along the line, though, and just can't remember when.

After 1945... 1927, I think? I know I've tasted 31/34/35 but doubtful about 27 and 24.

[Alex Bridgeman]

This is starting to feel like a wish list for the TPF Xmas tasting...

My first question is what were the generally declared vintages prior to 2007. I've worked on the assumption that these were:
2003, 2000, 1997, 1994, 1992, 1991, 1985, 1983, 1982, 1980, 1978, 1977, 1975, 1972, 1970, 1967, 1966, 1963, 1960, 1958, 1955, 1950, 1948, 1947, 1945, 1942, 1935, 1934, 1931, 1927, 1924, 1922, 1920, 1917, 1912, 1908, 1904, 1900, 1897, 1896... and then I get stuck.

So from this list, the youngest generally declared vintage I have never tasted is 1897.

If I look back at consecutive years the youngest vintage I have never tasted is 1956 (although I had to cheat a bit with some, like 1973 where it was a crusted port bottled in 1973 or the unrecognised Santa Eufemia old white from 1973).

[PhilW]

If I look back at consecutive years the youngest vintage I have never tasted is 1956 (although I had to cheat a bit with some, like 1973 where it was a crusted port bottled in 1973 or the unrecognised Santa Eufemia old white from 1973).

I think you have 1956 covered, at least as well as '73.

[Alex Bridgeman]

If I look back at consecutive years the youngest vintage I have never tasted is 1956 (although I had to cheat a bit with some, like 1973 where it was a crusted port bottled in 1973 or the unrecognised Santa Eufemia old white from 1973).

I think you have 1956 covered, at least as well as '73.

Sadly, I wasn't able to make the Olympics tasting - I think I was in Rome at the time.

1956 is a good Madeira vintage, but a very rare port vintage.

[jdaw1]

My first question is what were the generally declared vintages prior to 2007. I've worked on the assumption that these were:
2003, 2000, 1997, 1994, 1992, 1991, 1985, 1983, 1982, 1980, 1978, 1977, 1975, 1972, 1970, 1967, 1966, 1963, 1960, 1958, 1955, 1950, 1948, 1947, 1945, 1942, 1935, 1934, 1931, 1927, 1924, 1922, 1920, 1917, 1912, 1908, 1904, 1900, 1897, 1896

1978? 1972: general? 1958, 1931, 1897? Really?

[Alex Bridgeman]

My first question is what were the generally declared vintages prior to 2007. I've worked on the assumption that these were:
2003, 2000, 1997, 1994, 1992, 1991, 1985, 1983, 1982, 1980, 1978, 1977, 1975, 1972, 1970, 1967, 1966, 1963, 1960, 1958, 1955, 1950, 1948, 1947, 1945, 1942, 1935, 1934, 1931, 1927, 1924, 1922, 1920, 1917, 1912, 1908, 1904, 1900, 1897, 1896

1978? 1972: general? 1958, 1931, 1897? Really?

Well I don't know! Where is the book I could consult to see whether these were general declarations? We have tasting notes from 5 full declarations from 1978. How many are required to make a general declaration?

[jdaw1]

Well I don't know! Where is the book I could consult to see whether these were general declarations?

Yes sir, yes sir. Working on it right now.

[Glenn E.]

How many are required to make a general declaration?

While I realize that this doesn't actually answer the question, I would assume "more than half" would need to declare for a vintage to be considered a general declaration.

Question: more than half of what? All producers? Major producers?

[Glenn E.]

My first question is what were the generally declared vintages prior to 2007. I've worked on the assumption that these were:
2003, 2000, 1997, 1994, 1992, 1991, 1985, 1983, 1982, 1980, 1978, 1977, 1975, 1972, 1970, 1967, 1966, 1963, 1960, 1958, 1955, 1950, 1948, 1947, 1945, 1942, 1935, 1934, 1931, 1927, 1924, 1922, 1920, 1917, 1912, 1908, 1904, 1900, 1897, 1896

1978? 1972: general? 1958, 1931, 1897? Really?

1992? 1991? Both declared by major groups, but a tough call. I'd say both or neither... lean toward both. But if including 1991 causes other inclusions based on percent declared, then I could be talked into some other conclusion.
1982? Usually considered the significantly lesser half of a split declaration, so no.
1978? Some good Port, but no. Not enough participation.
1972? Consideration given for political instability?
1967? I lean toward partial, ergo no.
1958? I lean toward partial, ergo no.
1947? Isn't this the lesser half of a split declaration with 1948?
1942? Consideration given for WWII?
1931? Consideration given for economic circumstances?
1922?
1917?

[flash_uk]

1945 for me.

[uncle tom]

Can't positively recall drinking an 1890, but one may have crept in somewhere..

[jdaw1]

Can't positively recall drinking an 1890, but one may have crept in somewhere..

Either none or two — and you are on the placemats for the 1890 horizontal on 11 July 2008 at Portal restaurant.

[DRT]

Can't positively recall drinking an 1890, but one may have crept in somewhere..

Either none or two — and you are on the placemats for the 1890 horizontal on 11 July 2008 at Portal restaurant.

I don't think Tom attended that tasting. Firstly, I do not recall him being there and, more convincingly, the review of the tasting and the TNs do not include the T55? and Fr45 that are attributed to him on the placemats.

For whatever reason, Tom appears to have missed this great event.

[Alex Bridgeman]

What is the most recent, the youngest, general declaration of which you have never tasted a Port?

What were the generally declared vintages from the 19th century?

[jdaw1]

What were the generally declared vintages from the 19th century?

1812, 1815, 1820, 1830, 1834, 1840, 1847, 1851, 1854, 1858, 1861, 1863, 1865, 1868, 1870, 1873, 1875, 1878, 1881, 1884, 1887, 1890, 1896 and 1900.