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Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 13:31 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by Axel P
As I have kindly got a list from Berries Vintage Ports, please add or comment:
1947 -Fonseca
1955 - Graham
1960 – Rebello Valente
1963 – Taylor Fladgate
1966 – Warre
1970 – Warre
1975 – Gould Campbell
1977 – Quarles Harris
1980 – Warre
1983 – Warre
1985 –Smith Woodhouse
1991 –Smith Woodhouse
1994 –Smith Woodhouse
1997 –Warre
2000 –Smith Woodhouse
2003 –Quinta de La Rosa
2007 - Grahams
2011 – Grahams
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 22:58 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by LGTrotter
I agree with the sentiment in the port tasting notes that the 1970 is not good. I bought some from Wylie wines a few years back and have been uniformly disappointed. Not up to scratch with the standard Warre, I don't know but speculate it was to do with the handling of the port rather than a problem with the base wine.
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 12:49 Sat 31 Jan 2015
by Axel P
1955 by Graham
Acutally I do quite like the 1970, which I recently tasted. How often did you have this?
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 13:23 Sat 31 Jan 2015
by LGTrotter
Axel P wrote:1955 by Graham
Acutally I do quite like the 1970, which I recently tasted. How often did you have this?
I think three times, perhaps twice, I still have one, maybe two left. I may be judging it harshly due to my adoration of the standard Warre 1970. I'll try and find the notes I have on it.
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 23:45 Sat 31 Jan 2015
by LGTrotter
LGTrotter wrote:Axel P wrote:Acutally I do quite like the 1970, which I recently tasted. How often did you have this?
I think three times, perhaps twice, I still have one, maybe two left. I may be judging it harshly due to my adoration of the standard Warre 1970. I'll try and find the notes I have on it.
The Port Forum is about to enjoy the sight of me eating my words.
I think I must withdraw my previous remarks. I have found one note from 17.11.09 and it is glowing; 'toothsome', 'moreish' and 'youthful' being some of the words used.
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 10:58 Sun 01 Feb 2015
by LGTrotter
Further to the previous post I have just seen this exchange in 'introductions':
PhilW wrote:RAYC wrote:pink capsules were used by Berry's in a number of their 1970 bottlings - Fonseca, Cockburn, Graham, and the BBR "Own Selection" (a junior blend of Warre, possibly using young vines). But BBR's bottling of Dow 1970 used red capsules so this wan't universal, and BBR's bottling of 1963 Croft used pink (and then 1966 Croft used blue), so I don't think they took a particularly methodical approach.
[off-topic aside to RAYC]Your comment on the Berry's Own Selection 1970 - "junior" Warre is intriguing - do you have any more info?
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 20:04 Wed 27 May 2015
by RAYC
At the time of release, the 2007 was described to me by BBR as a bespoke blend by Peter Symington from Graham vineyards in celebration of his retirement (ie not Graham proper). I have not verified whether that has any truth to it.
EDIT: the spiel from the website
Simon Field, of BBR wrote:It was a great honour for Berry’s when Peter Symington, as part of his retirement celebrations (after a mere 45 years making superlative wines for Graham, Dow, Warre and the rest of them), made a very special vintage port, especially for us, its fruit sourced predominately from vines that also go to make up the Graham blend, in itself on of the top performers of the superlative year that was 2007.
....which, taking into account a bit of creativity from the PR men, suggests to me it is more likely to be Quarles Harris than Graham!!

Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 18:18 Fri 29 May 2015
by JB vintage
I can complete the list with that 1947 is Fonseca
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 20:13 Fri 29 May 2015
by JB vintage
I can also confirm that I have got the same list of producer for all the vintages you, Axel, mention from 1960 onward. See
www.vintageport.se
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 13:07 Mon 22 Jun 2015
by RAYC
Berry Brothers have just released the the 2011 and the spiel is as follows:
Which is spectacularly opaque as to whether the BBR 2011 vintage port actually is a bespoke blend or a re-brand of one of the existing blends.
Looking at the description of the grape composition, however, it is not obvious that it is the same as Graham proper....
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 13:33 Mon 22 Jun 2015
by jdaw1
The Malvedos Blog wrote:there was a higher inclusion of Touriga Franca — 31%, compared to 25% in the previous declared Vintage, the 2007.
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 15:31 Mon 22 Jun 2015
by RAYC
So it would appear not to be the same as the Graham blend then, or (from a very brief look) as any of the other blends they have released under brand.
Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 22:53 Mon 22 Jun 2015
by Andy Velebil
I tried to look at the breakdown for other Symington VP's and most don't list them.

Re: Berry Brothers Vintage Ports
Posted: 23:18 Mon 22 Jun 2015
by RAYC
Andy Velebil wrote:I tried to look at the breakdown for other Symington VP's and most don't list them.

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The Vintage Port Site seemed to me to be pretty good for this - i certainly thought there was enough detail to infer that the stated BBR blend did not fit the profile of any of the main brands.
Quarles Harris is the only Symington blend that seems to include Tinta Roriz as a principal component (going by Roy's TN on FTLOP), but i don't think QH otherwise fits the blend profile (from memory - not enough TN)
Blend breakdown from Vintage Port Site:
Cockburn: Touriga Nacional (55%), Touriga Franca (30%) Quinta do Vale Coelho old mixed vines (10%) Sousão (5%)
Dow: Touriga Franca (40%), Touriga Nacional (36%) Sousão (10%) as well as 14% of old mixed plantings.
Roriz: Touriga Nacional (42%) and Touriga Franca (28%) Tinta Francisca (18%) and Sousão (12%)
Vesuvio: Touriga Nacional (40%) Touriga Franca (45%) Tinta Barroca (10%) and Tinta Amarela (5%)
Smith Woodhouse: majority from "Madalena old mixed vineyards" with Touriga Franca as the "other principal contribution"
Warre: very old mixed vines (40%), Touriga Nacional (37%) and Touriga Franca (23%)