Tasting Notes Section
Possessive
I like the possessive for Graham’s, and for almost no other ports. A previous discussion did find old labels of Fonseca’s, but modern ones are plain Fonseca. (And for some houses copying the labels would entail unacceptable ALL CAPITALS.)
What type is Vargellas?
What type is Vargellas? Ervamoira?Derek T. wrote:Graham's Malvedos is a second label port, not an SQVP.
Do you have a list of those you deem second label?
Re: What type is Vargellas?
Vargellas is always described as an SQVP - I'm not sure about Ervamoira as I have never seen one.jdaw1 wrote:What type is Vargellas? Ervamoira?Derek T. wrote:Graham's Malvedos is a second label port, not an SQVP.
Do you have a list of those you deem second label?
Another example of where the shipper does not use the "Quinta de/do/dos/das" in the description of the wine is SW's Madelena. However, I'm not sure if this is for the same reasons as Graham's Malvedos.
Sandeman now produce Sandeman Vau Vintage - I do not know whether or not all the grapes come from Quinta do Vau.
Neipoort Secundum is presumably not the product of the infamous Quinta do Secundum
If anyone has the energy to find it I recall a lengthy debate about whether or not Malvedos was an SQVP on FTLOP a couple of years back. That, and from reading labels on some old Malvedos bottlings, is where I learned that Malvedos has at times been produced using a blend of grapes from more than one Quinta.
Derek
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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The Fladgate Partnership stopped using "Quinta do/de/etc." on their SQ bottlings a couple of years ago, but these wines are stil SQ's. Since Malvedos is also a SQ (at least nowadays), I would suggest treating it as such.
Another option would be to make a distinction between Single Quinta's from Shippers (that are mostly used as second labels) and Single Quinta's from independent producers. The latter can be listed with their proper name, whereas the first category can be grouped with bottlings such as Guimaraens, Secundum and Vau.
I would strongly suggest to be consistent in the use of the possesive. Otherwise my foreign braincells may fail to understand the rule.
Another option would be to make a distinction between Single Quinta's from Shippers (that are mostly used as second labels) and Single Quinta's from independent producers. The latter can be listed with their proper name, whereas the first category can be grouped with bottlings such as Guimaraens, Secundum and Vau.
I would strongly suggest to be consistent in the use of the possesive. Otherwise my foreign braincells may fail to understand the rule.
The Vau vintage is a blend from several quinta's. There also used to be a Quinta do Vau bottling. I don't know if it still exists.Sandeman now produce Sandeman Vau Vintage - I do not know whether or not all the grapes come from Quinta do Vau.
My vote, FWLIW, is to keep here.
No. We are try to establish a canonical list of names for the TN index. My vote, FWLIW, is to keep here.
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For What Little It’s Worth
For What Little It’s Worth.
Back on subject now please.
Back on subject now please.
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Don't know why, probably for marketing reasons. It was done in the general effort to make their labels uglier.Derek T. wrote:This is the most significant thing I have learned thus far in 2008.RonnieRoots wrote:The Fladgate Partnership stopped using "Quinta do/de/etc." on their SQ bottlings a couple of years ago
Whay did they stop?
Derek
I’m a firm fan of us using the term “Graham Malvedos†
I’m a firm fan of us using the term “Graham Malvedos†, as M really is a subsidiary part of the concept of G. For what other house/SQ pairs should this be done?
House/SQ pairs
The house style is without possessive. So far we have:
(Remember: you don’t have to be correct; you merely have to be definitive.)
- Graham Malvedos;
- Fonseca Guimaraens;
- Taylor Quinta de Vargellas;
- Taylor Quinta de Terra Feita;
- Dow Quinta do Bomfim.
(Remember: you don’t have to be correct; you merely have to be definitive.)
Where's the Martinez.
Doesn't it?
Martinez doesn't appear in the 'M's, where a simple lad like me expects to find it, but in the 'H's.
Please (on the next update) could you help thickies by inserting a Martinez link at the 'M's to where it appears in the 'H's?
Thank-you!
Martinez doesn't appear in the 'M's, where a simple lad like me expects to find it, but in the 'H's.
Please (on the next update) could you help thickies by inserting a Martinez link at the 'M's to where it appears in the 'H's?
Thank-you!
A man who likes vintage ports, and we're not talking Carthage
So the attempt to tidy the names failed.
So the attempt to tidy the names failed. No definitive list has been submitted.
Nonetheless, it’s almost time for another update. I’m going to the old world Thursday week, so please send me updated data several days before then. The weekend, perhaps?
Nonetheless, it’s almost time for another update. I’m going to the old world Thursday week, so please send me updated data several days before then. The weekend, perhaps?
uncertainty about the presence of the Adam.
‘Someone’ was going to the week before. There is still uncertainty about the presence of the Adam.KillerB wrote:Shouldn't someone set up TNs for the 1966 tasting?
'Someone' has told me that 'Someone' is best left alone to decide the best time for 'Someone' to do what 'Someone' does very well.jdaw1 wrote:‘Someone’ has told me that the cross-linking is more easily done in one go.KillerB wrote:'Someone' could always create all the others and wait for certainty.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn