Large empties
Posted: 18:14 Mon 23 Dec 2013
What should be done with large empties? In particular, double magnums formerly holding Sandeman Vau (1997, or 1999, or 2000)?
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Seconded.djewesbury wrote:The underwater drill is not recommended.
Sell them, hopefully for more than the bottle (with contents) originally cost!jdaw1 wrote:Within a few months the number of empties might exceed the need for small lamps. What’s the backup plan?
Doesn’t work. Because of the loss of the volume that was in the shoulders, it would be too small.Glenn E. wrote:Carefully cut off the top just below the shoulder. Smooth both edges of the cut so as to prevent injury. Now reverse the tip and bottom, gluing the former bottle opening to the former punt. Voila! A Port glass.
Ah yes, now there's a proper Port glass. I knew there had to be a solution. Well solved, Derek.DRT wrote:You have both missed an obvious solution.
Cut out the punt, smooth the edges of the punt and the bottle, invert the bottle and weld the opening of the neck of the bottle to the highest point of the punt. Voila, a glass that takes a double mag portion of Port with a little room to spare.
More? Yes.djewesbury wrote:Can you tell me a bit more about how glass welding works?
djewesbury wrote:Can you tell me a bit more about how glass welding works?
wiki wrote:Glass welding
Glass welding is a common practice during glassblowing. It is used very often in the construction of lighting, neon signs, flashtubes, scientific equipment, and the manufacture of dishes and other glassware. It is also used during glass casting for joining the halves of glass molds, making items such as bottles and jars. Welding glass is accomplished by heating the glass through the glass transition, turning it into a thick, formable, liquid mass. Heating is usually done with a gas or oxy-gas torch, or a furnace, because the temperatures for melting glass are often quite high. This temperature may vary, depending on the type of glass. For example, lead glass becomes a weldable liquid at around 1,600 °F (870 °C), whereas quartz glass (fused silica) must be heated to over 3,000 °F (1,650 °C). Sometimes a tube may be attached to the glass, allowing it to be blown into various shapes, such as bulbs, bottles, or tubes. When two pieces of liquid glass are pressed together, they will usually weld very readily. Welding a handle onto a pitcher can usually be done with relative ease. However, when welding a tube to another tube, a combination of blowing and suction, and pressing and pulling is used to ensure a good seal, and to shape the glass. Sometimes a filler rod may be used, but usually not.
Because glass is very brittle in its solid state, it is often prone to cracking upon heating and cooling, especially if the heating and cooling are uneven. This is because the brittleness of the glass does not allow for uneven thermal expansion. Glass that has been welded will usually need to be cooled very slowly and evenly through the glass transition, in a process called annealing, to relieve any internal stresses created by a temperature gradient.
There are many types of glass, and it is most common to weld using the same types. Different glasses often have different rates of thermal expansion, which can cause them to crack upon cooling when they contract differently. For instance, quartz has very low thermal expansion, while soda-lime glass has very high thermal expansion. When welding different glasses to each other, it is usually important to closely match their coefficients of thermal expansion, to ensure that cracking does not occur. Also, some glasses will simply not mix with others, so welding between certain types may not be possible.
Glass can also be welded to metals and ceramics, although with metals the process is usually more adhesion to the surface of the metal rather than a commingling of the two materials. However, certain glasses will typically bond only to certain metals. For example, lead glass bonds readily to copper or molybdenum, but not to aluminum. Tungsten electrodes are often used in lighting but will not bond to quartz glass, so the tungsten is often wetted with molten borosilicate glass, which bonds to both tungsten and quartz. However, care must be taken to ensure that all materials have similar coefficients of thermal expansion to prevent cracking both when the object cools and when it is heated again. Special alloys are often used for this purpose, ensuring that the coefficients of expansion match, and sometimes thin, metallic coatings may be applied to a metal to create a good bond with the glass.
Good warning.RAYC wrote:Careful with coins - those bottles can fit so many that the weight causes them to shatter very easily (personal experience using a 3l vodka bottle for 5ps!)
I knew that (obviously). I had friends in the Glass department at college; none of what they did fitted into the 'try this at home' category.DRT wrote:djewesbury wrote:Can you tell me a bit more about how glass welding works?wiki wrote:Glass welding
Glass welding is a common practice during glassblowing. It is used very often in the construction of lighting, neon signs, flashtubes, scientific equipment, and the manufacture of dishes and other glassware. It is also used during glass casting for joining the halves of glass molds, making items such as bottles and jars. Welding glass is accomplished by heating the glass through the glass transition, turning it into a thick, formable, liquid mass. Heating is usually done with a gas or oxy-gas torch, or a furnace, because the temperatures for melting glass are often quite high. This temperature may vary, depending on the type of glass. For example, lead glass becomes a weldable liquid at around 1,600 °F (870 °C), whereas quartz glass (fused silica) must be heated to over 3,000 °F (1,650 °C). Sometimes a tube may be attached to the glass, allowing it to be blown into various shapes, such as bulbs, bottles, or tubes. When two pieces of liquid glass are pressed together, they will usually weld very readily. Welding a handle onto a pitcher can usually be done with relative ease. However, when welding a tube to another tube, a combination of blowing and suction, and pressing and pulling is used to ensure a good seal, and to shape the glass. Sometimes a filler rod may be used, but usually not.
Because glass is very brittle in its solid state, it is often prone to cracking upon heating and cooling, especially if the heating and cooling are uneven. This is because the brittleness of the glass does not allow for uneven thermal expansion. Glass that has been welded will usually need to be cooled very slowly and evenly through the glass transition, in a process called annealing, to relieve any internal stresses created by a temperature gradient.
There are many types of glass, and it is most common to weld using the same types. Different glasses often have different rates of thermal expansion, which can cause them to crack upon cooling when they contract differently. For instance, quartz has very low thermal expansion, while soda-lime glass has very high thermal expansion. When welding different glasses to each other, it is usually important to closely match their coefficients of thermal expansion, to ensure that cracking does not occur. Also, some glasses will simply not mix with others, so welding between certain types may not be possible.
Glass can also be welded to metals and ceramics, although with metals the process is usually more adhesion to the surface of the metal rather than a commingling of the two materials. However, certain glasses will typically bond only to certain metals. For example, lead glass bonds readily to copper or molybdenum, but not to aluminum. Tungsten electrodes are often used in lighting but will not bond to quartz glass, so the tungsten is often wetted with molten borosilicate glass, which bonds to both tungsten and quartz. However, care must be taken to ensure that all materials have similar coefficients of thermal expansion to prevent cracking both when the object cools and when it is heated again. Special alloys are often used for this purpose, ensuring that the coefficients of expansion match, and sometimes thin, metallic coatings may be applied to a metal to create a good bond with the glass.
That has my vote.mosesbotbol wrote:Fill the large format with current LBV and see how it is in 10-20 years...
Sounds like you have the makings of a stool -- keep at it, though, a chair is within reach!jdaw1 wrote:Today I’ve opened my household’s third double magnum of the season. So the problem is real and growing.