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Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 23:16 Tue 07 Jun 2022
by Mike J. W.
PhilW wrote: ↑13:06 Sun 05 Jun 2022
MigSU wrote:There's also a Quinta de Santa Eufémia (which interestingly is right next to Casa de Santa Eufémia). Using just SE might cause confusion (unless Quinta de Santa Eufémia already has an abbreviation).
Thank you for clarifying; I was not aware of both - and indeed was thinking of Quinta de Santa Eufémia, demonstrating exactly the potential confusion you describe. In which case I would suggest:
SE : Quinta de Santa Eufémia (qSE for me)
CSE : Casa de Santa Eufémia
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Would it make more sense to have Quinta de Santa Eufemia as QSE? Someone seeing just the SE alone could confuse it with Casa de Santa Eufemia.
It would also be consistent with the CSE if you used QSE.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 20:07 Wed 08 Jun 2022
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote: ↑14:24 Sun 05 Jun 2022I much prefer they match: {
qSE,
cSE}, or {
QSE,
CSE}.
Capitals seem to be winning.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 22:19 Wed 08 Jun 2022
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:jdaw1 wrote: ↑14:24 Sun 05 Jun 2022I much prefer they match: {
qSE,
cSE}, or {
QSE,
CSE}.
Capitals seem to be winning.
Indeed, I think I'm the only person voting the other way, so capitals it shall be.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 22:52 Wed 08 Jun 2022
by Alex Bridgeman
Belatedly since Phil has conceded, I will express a preference for capitals.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 07:23 Thu 09 Jun 2022
by PhilW
As CSE and QSE I'm assuming they will now have to appear separately in the list, whereas with cSE and qSE they could be positioned together at the "SE" point ignoring the pre-pend.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 10:59 Thu 09 Jun 2022
by MigSU
Well, they are different producers, now.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 17:48 Thu 09 Jun 2022
by Glenn E.
MigSU wrote: ↑10:59 Thu 09 Jun 2022
Well, they are different producers, now.
Exactly. The have some old stocks in common, but have gone separate ways at this point. IIRC they have even diverged as to which categories they produce.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 23:17 Tue 04 Oct 2022
by Glenn E.
The outcome of a previous struggle has been proven correct.
DSR happily avoids collision with DR Port. Which is technically Agri-Roncao DR Port, but I have never heard it referred to by the long name.
So... vintages go back to 2001. A newer player in VP, but one that is very famous for their outstanding tawny Ports.
What to call DR Port? Options seem to be AR (technically correct, but confusing due to non-use) or DR (confusing as per DB, DG, DSR, etc.) or the option certain to give jdaw1 a migraine, ARDR which looks and sounds like a Star Wars droid.
To the best of my knowledge it has never been used, but the possibility exists for Agri-Roncao to release a DR Port from Quinta da Levandeira do Roncao. This, annoyingly for me, seems to point toward AR being the correct abbreviation with ARLR or ARL being the hypothetical SQVP.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 23:34 Tue 04 Oct 2022
by Glenn E.
For reference:
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Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 12:34 Wed 05 Oct 2022
by PhilW
Glenn E. wrote: ↑23:17 Tue 04 Oct 2022
The outcome of a previous struggle has been proven correct.
DSR happily avoids collision with DR Port. Which is
technically Agri-Roncao DR Port, but I have never heard it referred to by the long name.
So... vintages go back to 2001. A newer player in VP, but one that is very famous for their outstanding tawny Ports.
What to call DR Port? Options seem to be AR (technically correct, but confusing due to non-use) or DR (confusing as per DB, DG, DSR, etc.) or the option certain to give jdaw1 a migraine, ARDR which looks and sounds like a Star Wars droid.
To the best of my knowledge it has never been used, but the possibility exists for Agri-Roncao to release a DR Port from Quinta da Levandeira do Roncao. This, annoyingly for me, seems to point toward AR being the correct abbreviation with ARLR or ARL being the hypothetical SQVP.
Abbreviations are set on brand rather than company (unless they are the same thing) therefore no need to mention the company name of Agri-Roncao for me. Branding is clearly DR, and at least to date that abbreviation is available, so would be my preference. Note examples such as Gonzales Byass as GB, even though we have Graham (G) and Graham Malvedos (GM), and similar. A DR-branded single quinta from Quinta da Levandeira do Roncao would then be DRLR, but let's worry about that if/when it happens.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 23:19 Wed 05 Oct 2022
by Glenn E.
DR makes by far the most sense to me, but I was attempting to be objective and perhaps overshot the mark.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 12:14 Sun 06 Nov 2022
by jdaw1
No objection to DR = DR Port.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 19:59 Wed 16 Nov 2022
by jdaw1
Ft = Fletcher ?
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 20:26 Wed 16 Nov 2022
by Glenn E.
jdaw1 wrote: ↑19:59 Wed 16 Nov 2022
Ft = Fletcher ?
Works for me.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 18:46 Mon 28 Nov 2022
by Alex Bridgeman
I'd prefer Fl.
Ft just makes me think of Feist.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 19:07 Tue 29 Nov 2022
by jdaw1
I don’t love the ‘l’ = lower-case el: too much like an ‘I’ = upper-case eye, or a ‘1’ = digit one. If not Ft, would
Fc be acceptable?
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 20:11 Tue 29 Nov 2022
by MigSU
jdaw1 wrote: ↑19:07 Tue 29 Nov 2022
I don’t love the ‘l’ = lower-case el: too much like an ‘I’ = upper-case eye, or a ‘1’ = digit one. If not Ft, would
Fc be acceptable?
Too true, I first read it as FI (capital eye) before seeing it was referring to Fletcher and taking another look.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 10:52 Fri 02 Dec 2022
by M.Charlton
Thirded.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 22:32 Fri 02 Dec 2022
by nac
Fc better.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 19:38 Sun 04 Dec 2022
by jdaw1
Fc: done; now in first post.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 21:49 Thu 20 Apr 2023
by jdaw1
Pd = Quinta da Prelada ?
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 22:45 Fri 21 Apr 2023
by Glenn E.
jdaw1 wrote: ↑21:49 Thu 20 Apr 2023
Pd = Quinta da Prelada ?
Hmm. I see Pd and I don't think Prelada. It makes me think that there must be some producer named Quinta do Pedro.
Pl? No.
Pr? Not really, but better than the others for me.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 22:49 Fri 21 Apr 2023
by jdaw1
Glenn E. wrote: ↑22:45 Fri 21 Apr 2023Hmm. I see Pd and I don't think Prelada. It makes me think that there must be some producer named Quinta do Pedro.
Hmm. Not so much for me, but OK.
Glenn E. wrote: ↑22:45 Fri 21 Apr 2023Pl? No.
Agreed.
Glenn E. wrote: ↑22:45 Fri 21 Apr 2023Pr? Not really, but better than the others for me.
No objection to
Pr. Others?
FYI, other P’s:
PhilW wrote: ↑14:51 Tue 28 May 2013
Ps = Quinta do Passadouro
PA = Quinta da Pedra Alta
Pg = Quinta do Pego
Pi = Pintas
Pç = Poças
Pt = Quinta do Portal
Pt+ = Quinta do Portal+
PtM = Portal Quinta dos Muros
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 22:55 Fri 21 Apr 2023
by MigSU
Pr seems appropriate.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 22:29 Sat 22 Apr 2023
by PhilW
Works for me.