MigSU wrote:There's also a Quinta de Santa Eufémia (which interestingly is right next to Casa de Santa Eufémia). Using just SE might cause confusion (unless Quinta de Santa Eufémia already has an abbreviation).
Thank you for clarifying; I was not aware of both - and indeed was thinking of Quinta de Santa Eufémia, demonstrating exactly the potential confusion you describe. In which case I would suggest:
SE : Quinta de Santa Eufémia (qSE for me)
CSE : Casa de Santa Eufémia
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Would it make more sense to have Quinta de Santa Eufemia as QSE? Someone seeing just the SE alone could confuse it with Casa de Santa Eufemia.
It would also be consistent with the CSE if you used QSE.
As CSE and QSE I'm assuming they will now have to appear separately in the list, whereas with cSE and qSE they could be positioned together at the "SE" point ignoring the pre-pend.
MigSU wrote: ↑10:59 Thu 09 Jun 2022
Well, they are different producers, now.
Exactly. The have some old stocks in common, but have gone separate ways at this point. IIRC they have even diverged as to which categories they produce.
The outcome of a previous struggle has been proven correct.
DSR happily avoids collision with DR Port. Which is technically Agri-Roncao DR Port, but I have never heard it referred to by the long name.
So... vintages go back to 2001. A newer player in VP, but one that is very famous for their outstanding tawny Ports.
What to call DR Port? Options seem to be AR (technically correct, but confusing due to non-use) or DR (confusing as per DB, DG, DSR, etc.) or the option certain to give jdaw1 a migraine, ARDR which looks and sounds like a Star Wars droid.
To the best of my knowledge it has never been used, but the possibility exists for Agri-Roncao to release a DR Port from Quinta da Levandeira do Roncao. This, annoyingly for me, seems to point toward AR being the correct abbreviation with ARLR or ARL being the hypothetical SQVP.
Glenn E. wrote: ↑23:17 Tue 04 Oct 2022
The outcome of a previous struggle has been proven correct.
DSR happily avoids collision with DR Port. Which is technically Agri-Roncao DR Port, but I have never heard it referred to by the long name.
So... vintages go back to 2001. A newer player in VP, but one that is very famous for their outstanding tawny Ports.
What to call DR Port? Options seem to be AR (technically correct, but confusing due to non-use) or DR (confusing as per DB, DG, DSR, etc.) or the option certain to give jdaw1 a migraine, ARDR which looks and sounds like a Star Wars droid.
To the best of my knowledge it has never been used, but the possibility exists for Agri-Roncao to release a DR Port from Quinta da Levandeira do Roncao. This, annoyingly for me, seems to point toward AR being the correct abbreviation with ARLR or ARL being the hypothetical SQVP.
Abbreviations are set on brand rather than company (unless they are the same thing) therefore no need to mention the company name of Agri-Roncao for me. Branding is clearly DR, and at least to date that abbreviation is available, so would be my preference. Note examples such as Gonzales Byass as GB, even though we have Graham (G) and Graham Malvedos (GM), and similar. A DR-branded single quinta from Quinta da Levandeira do Roncao would then be DRLR, but let's worry about that if/when it happens.
Glenn E. wrote: ↑22:45 Fri 21 Apr 2023Hmm. I see Pd and I don't think Prelada. It makes me think that there must be some producer named Quinta do Pedro.
Glenn E. wrote: ↑22:45 Fri 21 Apr 2023Pr? Not really, but better than the others for me.
No objection to Pr. Others?
FYI, other P’s:
PhilW wrote: ↑14:51 Tue 28 May 2013Ps = Quinta do Passadouro PA = Quinta da Pedra Alta Pg = Quinta do Pego Pi = Pintas Pç = Poças Pt = Quinta do Portal Pt+ = Quinta do Portal+ PtM = Portal Quinta dos Muros