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Fonseca 85 or Taylors VVV 00
Posted: 12:57 Sun 24 Jan 2010
by Alex M
If you could purchase one of the following, which would it be?
Taylors VVV 2000 x 3 for £370
Fonseca 1985 x 12 for £600
I'm looking for the wine that provides the best QPR and will still be improving in bottle for the next 20-30years. My initial thoughts were with the Fonseca.
Re: Fonseca 85 or Taylors VVV 00
Posted: 02:05 Mon 25 Jan 2010
by mosesbotbol
Taylor all the way if this is an investment. You can personally thank me in 20 years.
The VVV will command a pretty penny by then, not to mention by something special and exclusive.
Re: Fonseca 85 or Taylors VVV 00
Posted: 13:10 Mon 25 Jan 2010
by Alex Bridgeman
Fonseca 1985 for me. Will start to drink at peak long before the Taylor and both will probably outlive you, so while the Taylor may be worth more, the Fonseca will likely give more enjoyment
Re: Fonseca 85 or Taylors VVV 00
Posted: 00:45 Tue 26 Jan 2010
by KillerB
I don't buy wine as a monetary investment, I buy it as an investment in my future enjoyment and I know how much I would enjoy twelve bottles of F85
Re: Fonseca 85 or Taylors VVV 00
Posted: 00:55 Tue 26 Jan 2010
by DRT
Alex M wrote:I'm looking for the wine that provides the best QPR and will still be improving in bottle for the next 20-30years.
Both of these wines will satisfy your second criteria, but the Fonseca undoubtedly provides a better QPR than the TVVV.
Re: Fonseca 85 or Taylors VVV 00
Posted: 01:41 Tue 26 Jan 2010
by g-man
f85 for sure.
12 bottles of ambrosia
Re: Fonseca 85 or Taylors VVV 00
Posted: 01:33 Wed 27 Jan 2010
by Glenn E.
I too must vote for the F85. They're both great, but the F85 wins QPR hands down.
I don't have a lot of experience with VVV, but what experience I do have says that it's only marginally better (if at all) than the standard Taylor from the same year. Since it seems to cost about double, that gives it a lower QPR than even a standard Taylor.
As others have said, both will easily last another 30 years. The prices you quoted have the VVV at somewhat more than double the price of the F85, which makes it no contest. Plus by buying the F85 you get 12 bottles instead of 3.
Re: Fonseca 85 or Taylors VVV 00
Posted: 20:32 Fri 29 Jan 2010
by Portman
Fonseca all the way! More wine, drinking sooner, and the qualitative difference is marginal.
Re: Fonseca 85 or Taylors VVV 00
Posted: 22:20 Fri 14 Jan 2011
by jdaw1
As an investment, the TVVV00. For pleasure, the F85.
Re: Fonseca 85 or Taylors VVV 00
Posted: 21:22 Sat 15 Jan 2011
by VJR
I remain skeptical of the 'superpremium' initiative from Taylors - this is no Nacional vineyard.
at maturity, I even doubt the VVV will ever be superior to the normal vintage...
I'd go for Fonseca 1985 - tried and proven... and great.
Cheers, Victor