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Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 19:33 Sun 24 Aug 2025
by Alex Bridgeman
I've just opened a previously unopened case (of 12) of Taylor Vargellas 1965 that I've owned for about 15 years. Of the 12 bottles, 1 had a complete cork failure and was empty. 2 were low shoulder having leaked all over the cardboard sleeves the bottles were packed in. 3 bottles were mid-shoulder with signs of slow leakage. 4 were top shoulder or base of neck with signs of seepage. 2 were base of neck or into neck with no signs of seepage.

If anyone else has a case of TV65 in storage, please learn from my experience and take a look at your bottles.

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 20:41 Sun 24 Aug 2025
by Glenn E.
It might be relevant to know the bottler? Was this an English bottled case, or one bottled in Porto?

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 21:10 Sun 24 Aug 2025
by Alex Bridgeman
I believe that all Vargellas 1965 was bottled in Porto, in 1968 - but I might be wrong...

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 21:47 Sun 24 Aug 2025
by winesecretary
@ Alex - that must have been a more than ordinarily disappointing moment. Commiserations.

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 07:46 Mon 25 Aug 2025
by PhilW
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 21:10 Sun 24 Aug 2025 I believe that all Vargellas 1965 was bottled in Porto, in 1968 - but I might be wrong...
Further to this; the only non-Oporto bottling of any Taylor Vargellas of which I am aware are the '67 and '69 bottlings by BBR.
Does anyone know of any other non-Oporto bottlings of any Taylor Vargellas vintages?

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 07:27 Tue 26 Aug 2025
by idj123
PhilW wrote: 07:46 Mon 25 Aug 2025
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 21:10 Sun 24 Aug 2025 I believe that all Vargellas 1965 was bottled in Porto, in 1968 - but I might be wrong...
Further to this; the only non-Oporto bottling of any Taylor Vargellas of which I am aware are the '67 and '69 bottlings by BBR.
Does anyone know of any other non-Oporto bottlings of any Taylor Vargellas vintages?
BBR bottled both 64 and 65 TV.

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 09:31 Tue 26 Aug 2025
by PhilW
idj123 wrote: 07:27 Tue 26 Aug 2025 BBR bottled both 64 and 65 TV.
Any pics? I've only seen these for '64 and '65:
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which both have an extra label showing they were sold by BBR but the main label shows Oporto-bottled not BBR-bottled.
Have you seen different, with BBR-bottled label for either/both years?

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 17:52 Tue 26 Aug 2025
by Glenn E.
PhilW wrote: 07:46 Mon 25 Aug 2025
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 21:10 Sun 24 Aug 2025 I believe that all Vargellas 1965 was bottled in Porto, in 1968 - but I might be wrong...
Further to this; the only non-Oporto bottling of any Taylor Vargellas of which I am aware are the '67 and '69 bottlings by BBR.
Does anyone know of any other non-Oporto bottlings of any Taylor Vargellas vintages?
I have seen and tasted English-bottled 1967 Taylor Vargellas bottled in both 1969 and 1970. Unfortunately I do not recall the bottler, so it may very well have been BBR in both cases.

The TV64 that I opened for the horizontal on my birthday was bottled in Porto and looks like the picture Phil posted, only without the BBR sticker.

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 10:50 Wed 27 Aug 2025
by PhilW
Glenn E. wrote: 17:52 Tue 26 Aug 2025
PhilW wrote: 07:46 Mon 25 Aug 2025 Further to this; the only non-Oporto bottling of any Taylor Vargellas of which I am aware are the '67 and '69 bottlings by BBR.
Does anyone know of any other non-Oporto bottlings of any Taylor Vargellas vintages?
I have seen and tasted English-bottled 1967 Taylor Vargellas bottled in both 1969 and 1970. Unfortunately I do not recall the bottler, so it may very well have been BBR in both cases.
It turns out I do have record of two other non-Oporto bottling of TV67, by British Transport Hotels (bottling year not shown) and Corney and Barrow (bottled 1969, as was the BBR bottling):
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All of the Oporto-bottled TV67 that I can find so far were bottled in 1970.

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 22:49 Tue 02 Sep 2025
by jdaw1
From a well-known book:
1965 Taylor Quinta de Vargellas       ✔ Produced and sold

► Berry Bros. & Rudd Ltd., June 1983, at £10.35 per bottle.

► The Wine Society, ref 6234, from April/September 1977 at £4.20 to October 78/April 79 at £4.65: “Taylor’s Quinta de Vargellas, 1965, very fruity, mature vintage port, from the best vineyard of this justly famous lodge. A lesser vintage, ready for drinking now”.

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 09:05 Wed 03 Sep 2025
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote: 22:49 Tue 02 Sep 2025 From a well-known book:
1965 Taylor Quinta de Vargellas       ✔ Produced and sold

► Berry Bros. & Rudd Ltd., June 1983, at £10.35 per bottle.

► The Wine Society, ref 6234, from April/September 1977 at £4.20 to October 78/April 79 at £4.65: “Taylor’s Quinta de Vargellas, 1965, very fruity, mature vintage port, from the best vineyard of this justly famous lodge. A lesser vintage, ready for drinking now”.
Do you have a photo of the Wine Society-bottled TV65? (am guessing you might since you know the code was "Portugal 6234" unless it came from WS records/lists?)

Re: Taylor Vargellas 1965 warning

Posted: 21:05 Wed 03 Sep 2025
by jdaw1
PhilW wrote: 09:05 Wed 03 Sep 2025Do you have a photo of the Wine Society-bottled TV65? (am guessing you might since you know the code was "Portugal 6234" unless it came from WS records/lists?)
I have a low-quality photograph of the catalogue, but not of a bottle.