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With planning for the April tasting suggesting LBVs, let’s do something a little more random in May. Bottles of Barros 1947 and 1952 are ‘cluttering’ my collection: would there be interest in a theme of Old and Odd, though vintage nonetheless?

I’ll be in the UK the third week of May (including a tasting in Wokingham), so early May works far better for me.

Thoughts?

[Edited title to include date, following this post.]
[Edited title again to change from “O&O† to “LBVs† due to Alex becoming unavailable.]

Julian,

I think I mentioned this one to you before, but how's this for Old and Odd: Butler & Nephew 1932? I can't think of a better opportunity to open that one up!

Sounds like fun and who better to open some odd bottles with?

I could contribute a bottle of Schonfield 1873, which is what the wax capsule says. Good, bad, I have no idea. It was an add-on in a lot that I purchased a number of years ago.

Can I bring an Odd ball muscato?

I want to pick up the dad a birthday wine, but i dont know what this wine tastes like.

When? Please suggest early-May dates.

What? It seems that people aren’t objecting to O&O. Please say what treats you have.

And where? One possibility, date dependent, is, again, the increasingly traditional Bistro Citron:

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=7164#7164]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:Unless there’s a better plan, we’ll meet at the place that is becoming usual:

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=6792#6792]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:Same place:

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5272#5272]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:my local French restaurant, Bistro Citron, NY 10024-5131, which is on the east side of Columbus Avenue between west 82nd and west 83rd streets. Good nosh, and the best fries in Manhattan.

Subway from downtown take the B or C to 81st street: don’t take the A or D as they are express from Columbus Circle to somewhere functionally equivalent to Canada.

If people need to adopt, I also have bottles sold at auction as Hopper 1938 and 1942. They really should be tasted side-by-side: for sale all-or-nothing.

jdaw1 wrote:Barros … 1952

Just realised: it’s a B52 Stratofortress!

jdaw1 wrote:If people need to adopt, I also have bottles sold at auction as Hopper 1938 and 1942. They really should be tasted side-by-side: for sale all-or-nothing.

what if i find a hoopers 44?

g-man wrote:what if i find a hoopers 44?

Works for me. Not sure of spelling — will try to find auction catalogue.

jdaw1 wrote:

g-man wrote:what if i find a hoopers 44?

Works for me. Not sure of spelling — will try to find auction catalogue.

think it's hooper's ... bought buy royal oporto in 1951

jfacciol wrote:Sounds like fun and who better to open some odd bottles with?

I could contribute a bottle of Schonfield 1873, which is what the wax capsule says. Good, bad, I have no idea. It was an add-on in a lot that I purchased a number of years ago.

Jay,

Are you sure that you have the name right? I believe that this could be an English bottled port from the long disappeared merchant Schofield Brothers. If it is, then I believe - but it is a very tenuous belief - that this is the Sandeman 1873.

Of course, if you open it then please tell us what it is and what you think of it!

Alex

jdaw1 wrote:If people need to adopt, I also have bottles sold at auction as Hopper 1938 and 1942. They really should be tasted side-by-side: for sale all-or-nothing.

Sotheby’s have sent me a copy of the relevant pages of the catalogue, and—my fault—they are indeed Hooper, not Hopper.

jdaw1 wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:If people need to adopt, I also have bottles sold at auction as Hopper 1938 and 1942. They really should be tasted side-by-side: for sale all-or-nothing.

Sotheby’s have sent me a copy of the relevant pages of the catalogue, and—my fault—they are indeed Hooper, not Hopper.

will let you know about the 44/45? hooper's

Did you guys figure out a date yet in May? There is a very slime chance that I may be able to get over there. It all depends on my work schedule at the moment.

No. What dates work for you?

Alex, well done. It is indeed Schofield Brothers. It has a nicely embossed yellow lead capsule with 1873 prominently displayed. There is a handwritten tag from a prior owner indicating that this was a Manchester importer. Broadbent confirms Manchester.

If Alex can make it, let's try for a date that works for him also.

I've kept quiet up until now on the dates as I have been happy to watch the organisation unfold before my eyes. However, I am required to present myself to plaintiff's counsel in Pittsburgh for examination some time in May and could probably swing by New York on my way home. The only dates that would work would be Thursday May 8 or (at a push) Friday May 9.

However, since my travel has not yet been arranged, please do not let me influence the choice of dates if the 8th or 9th would be inconvenient for others.

Alex

I would rather you guys find out what works best for you and I'll try and fit it in...as there are no guarantee's that I will be able to make it.

Alex: if you “swing by† on your way to the US, then it would be easier for you to bring something interesting (or at least, old and odd). Just an observation.

And as nobody else has much of an opinion on dates, we could gather around your availability.

This is true. The week in question is a public holiday in the UK so I would likely not travel out until the Tuesday. This would, theoretically, mean that I could attend a tasting in New York on Tuesday 6 May.

However, I have discovered that I am required to be in Phildelphia and not Pittsburgh. This opens up the advantage of using the train to get to New York and therefore being able to treat with more respect an Old and Odd bottle. Because of this, my preferred date would still be Thursday 8 May with Friday being my second preference.

Alex

Old & Odd, on Thursday 8th May 2008? Works for me. Works for AHB. Others?

I'll be travelling! This time to Tokaj, Hungary to drink some dessert wine. Thanks for the heads up and enjoy!

May 8 works for me.

depedant on the time this could indeed work for me too

May 8th may actually work for me. Let me check on some things at work and get back to you.

Bottles so far known to be available:

• 1873 Schofield (FF);
• 1932 Butler Nephew (ED);
• 1947 Barros (JDAW);
• 1952 Barros (JDAW);
• 1938 Hooper (JDAW);
• 1942 Hooper (JDAW);
• 1944 Hooper (JG).

People:

• JDAW;
• FF;
• ED;
• AHB;
• ADV?

That’s either quorate, or almost so.

First draft of placemats.

I may be able to attend as well but I wont know until closer to the actual date ...and I'm sure I have something old and odd to contribute!

Ah well, I'm not available that weekend in may. For me, though, O&O would have been more novelty than anything so I'll bide my time till a future NY offline.

If you check out the LBV thread, you will see that I have begged off the April tasting and proposed it for mid-June instead.

Do we have a location yet for O&O? If not, I would be happy to host it at my home (partial recompense for delaying the LBV tasting).

I am heading to NY after Portugal in May but will still be in Portugal on the 8th. C'est dommage, as it sounds like a fun time.

Do you guys still want the hoopers 44 colheita?

If not I'll see if I can find something else.

I believe I can find some older burmeister colheitas.

But if we're only doing VP, I'm going to have to adopt a bottle.

I'm happy to go for the Hoopers 1944, it means that I can bring a particular bottle that I've been waiting to try which I am very curious about.

Alex

AHB wrote:I'm happy to go for the Hoopers 1944, it means that I can bring a particular bottle that I've been waiting to try which I am very curious about.

The statement begs a question. Pray tell — if only for the placemats.

It does depend to some extent on what mood I am in when I choose the bottle that I am intending to bring.

Suffice it to say, that it will not be as old as the one that Jay has mentioned opening, but it will be from the same monarch's reign.

For the purposes of the placemats, simply note it as "Garcia Refreshed".

Alex

The manager at Bistro Citron says that, on Thursday 8th May 2008, he can accommodate up to a limit of ten people. That’s as many as we would want, so, failing cogent objection soon, Bistro Citron it is.

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=11387#11387]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:And where? One possibility, date dependent, is, again, the increasingly traditional Bistro Citron:

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=7164#7164]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:Unless there’s a better plan, we’ll meet at the place that is becoming usual:

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=6792#6792]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:Same place:

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5272#5272]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:my local French restaurant, Bistro Citron, NY 10024-5131, which is on the east side of Columbus Avenue between west 82nd and west 83rd streets. Good nosh, and the best fries in Manhattan.

Subway from downtown take the B or C to 81st street: don’t take the A or D as they are express from Columbus Circle to somewhere functionally equivalent to Canada.

I think I can make the 8th if there is room and I can source. Gotta tell you all that I really enjoyed the 77 port night, talked about it for weeks after.
Dovetail was a great spot, I will be revisiting shortly with wife.
I have found port lovers are very similar to wine lovers, except they drink more water and some have accents, LOL

differentdave wrote:I think I can make the 8th if there is room and I can source. Gotta tell you all that I really enjoyed the 77 port night, talked about it for weeks after.
Dovetail was a great spot, I will be revisiting shortly with wife.
I have found port lovers are very similar to wine lovers, except they drink more water and some have accents, LOL

I'm not sure what accents you might mean...

I can confirm that I will be fleetingly in New York on May 8th, so please book me a space. The Steak Frîtes at Bistro Citron were excellent last time.

Its looking more and more like I probably won't be able to make this one after all. All hope is not lost, and I'll keep you all up speed on things as I find out more.

I really apologise for the late notice and any inconvenience that might be caused, by my lawyers have rescheduled my deposition and moved it back a week.

Would it be possible to reschedule the O&O tasting back by a week to Thursday 15th?

If not, please don't worry but just accept my apologies.

Alex

=*( I can't make the date as it's my little sister's graduation ceremony and we're taking her out to dinner that night.

Whatever is decided, I don't mind picking up the 44 hoopers for you guys.

I can make it.

G-man: bring little sister.

jdaw1 wrote:I can make it.

G-man: bring little sister.

Dance Little Sister

OMG I've gone all Terence Trent D'Arby. Apologies to everyone.

jdaw1 wrote:I can make it.

G-man: bring little sister.

It'd be the entire G-clan.

Unless we're looking to accommodate another 8 people =)

We need a decision. Possibilities:

• Punish Alex for employing unreliable lawyers by keeping the current plans;
• Punish g-man for having a drinking chum who employs unreliable lawyers, by moving the date forward a week;
• Keep date of 8th May, change theme, and encourage Alex to bring his old bottle next time.

I vote for keeping the date and changing the theme. Others?

How about the LBV tasting that Jay offered for April?

We certainly could do LBVs although I will have to rely upon what I have in my cellar rather than what is in Ct.

Apparently, we have just changed counsel. This means that what was a defeinite commitment for me to be in New York in May is now a definite possible requirement.

So, basically, I am not sure when I will next be in the "Big Apple". As soon as I know, I would be delighted to be able to be used as an excuse for an offline.

If you are willing and able to delay the O&O theme for my next visit, I would be very appreciative as I really would like to try the Schofield Brothers 1873 to see what it is. I have a choice of two bottles that I might bring to accompany it. One is from 1890 amd the other from 1854 - the latter has just started to seep quite badly and so needs to be drunk soon.

Alex

OK, O&O delayed.

LBVs on the previously-agreed date of 8th May.

Objections?

Alex's offer is too tempting to not delay the 0&O tasting. So, LBVs it is. Same location, I assume.

And who will be coming now?

I have at hand in Brooklyn a Niepoort 1992, Churchill 1990, Osborne 1997, Osborne 1999, Osbrone 2000, and Quinta do Infantado 2000.

I would recommend the Niepoort and the Churchill although I could supply the others if we need them.

I have no LBVs, so am entirely in your hands. Please may I pay $ on the day?

jdaw1 wrote:I have no LBVs, so am entirely in your hands. Please may I pay $ on the day?

Of course. I assume that Eric, who has quite a collection of unusual LBVs, Jeff and David are coming. Anyone else.