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Andy Velebil wrote: ↑13:14 Wed 05 May 2021Regardless, I have no issues with this, so long as the end product is good. Otherwise we’re all gonna be eating a spoon full of old port-molasses.

I have no difficulties with the wine-making principle. It’s just the advertising I don’t like. If they were always topped up with something newer than only about 10% of the wine will be from 1896. Feels a bit of a stretch to say this is a “single harvest”! It reminds me a bit of those sherries where the foundation date of the solera is give on the label...

Do keep in mind evaporation slow as it ages. So the rate is not constant for 100+ years

That’s fair enough, although the figures I have seen suggest starting at about 3% and then falling to 1%. I’m not sure that I have read it stopping altogether after a certain point which would be necessary for the majority of the wine in the barrel to remain over 100+ years without topping up from elsewhere.

I guess it boils down to this: if a wine is labelled as coming from a “single harvest” in 1896, shouldn’t it all come from that single harvest? If that is not possible due to evaporation, then it should have a different name.

According to The Drinks Business they are releasing 1,700 bottles of this at a RRP of £3,950, giving each pipe a gross retail value of around £3.35M. I am sure it would be unfair to speculate what sort of quality of Quinta one could purchase for that sum

JacobH wrote: ↑20:59 Wed 05 May 2021 According to The Drinks Business they are releasing 1,700 bottles of this at a RRP of £3,950, giving each pipe a gross retail value of around £3.35M. I am sure it would be unfair to speculate what sort of quality of Quinta one could purchase for that sum

Do you mean an actual Quinta?

Glenn E. wrote: ↑20:30 Mon 01 Feb 2021We asked Dirk Niepoort this question straight up, and he said that the types of grapes you need to make a great ruby Port and a great tawny Port are different. You might be able to use one to make the other, but it would not be using the grapes to reach their best potential.

His answer was long and complex, but at some basic level the main difference seems to be that ruby Ports need color and tannins, while tawny Ports need acidity and sugar.

1896 was, reportedly, a very great year for vintage.

I know people who've had this when Krohn's owned the casks and they gave it 99-100 points. So unless TFP screwed it up, which I am 100% confident did not happen, this will be a remarkable tawny.

That is a lot of bottles. I wonder how much was left in cask, if any?

I assume the bottles are 50cl? Otherwise I can't reconcile any of the numbers. I also wonder how much gets sent out as samples? I get the impression, which might be wrong, that they feel they have to distribute them really quite widely to get the level of publicity they want.

75c per this approved label for it. Click the printable version tab to see the pics.
https://ttbonline.gov/colasonline/view ... 2001000211

Andy Velebil wrote: ↑21:51 Wed 05 May 2021 75c per this approved label for it. Click the printable version tab to see the pics.
https://ttbonline.gov/colasonline/view ... 2001000211

Hmm...I guess when they talk about there being 2 casks they aren’t referring to 550l pipes? Otherwise they wouldn’t have 1,700 bottles’ worth to bottle (wastage etc. notwithstanding).

I have a vague memory that Krohn sold these in a 2-pack (one white, one tawny) right before they were purchased for something like 8000 EUR, so offering just the tawny for £3,950 seems like a very TFP thing to do.

JacobH wrote: ↑21:58 Wed 05 May 2021

Andy Velebil wrote: ↑21:51 Wed 05 May 2021 75c per this approved label for it. Click the printable version tab to see the pics.
https://ttbonline.gov/colasonline/view ... 2001000211

Hmm...I guess when they talk about there being 2 casks they aren’t referring to 550l pipes? Otherwise they wouldn’t have 1,700 bottles’ worth to bottle (wastage etc. notwithstanding).

I've never seen them (but I think Andy has?), but from what people told me all of the casks were smaller than the standard 550l pipes. But I was also under the impression that there were more than 2 casks (of each - 1863, 1896, and 1896 white), so it's possible I'm confusing a couple of different "old port" stories.

JacobH wrote: ↑13:07 Wed 05 May 2021 Taylor’s have just advertised a new very old tawny, this time a 1896 colheita. Rather than create a new thread, I thought I would bump this one.

Apparently 1700 bottles being released with an RRP of £3950.

Have just been offered a bottle of the 1896 Single Harvest by C&B. £2,900 in bond (so about £3,500 delivered - which is a fair bit below the RRP). Declined their kind offer.