1977's - Tue 11th June 2024

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Re: 1977's - Tue 11th June 2024

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Okay after having a look at what's being brought, I will add a couple of oddities that don't appear to exist (as per Mighty Tome 2nd Edition.)

Ducal 1977 VP
Morano 1977 VP

Also there is the inexcusable omission of Gould Campbell. I have never had a corked bottle, however on reflection I believe every one I have opened in the past has been from a stash in Australia - maybe that was a good batch?

Anyhow I will also bring a Mag of GC77 stored in the UK so this tasting's reputation is not irreparably harmed.
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cem wrote: 23:16 Sat 25 May 2024Anyhow I will also bring a Mag of GC77 stored in the UK so this tasting's reputation is not irreparably harmed.
GC77 in magnum has an excellent reputation. In single, not so much. I have both, and am willing to bring.
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cem wrote: 23:16 Sat 25 May 2024 Okay after having a look at what's being brought, I will add a couple of oddities that don't appear to exist (as per Mighty Tome 2nd Edition.)

Ducal 1977 VP
Morano 1977 VP

Also there is the inexcusable omission of Gould Campbell. I have never had a corked bottle, however on reflection I believe every one I have opened in the past has been from a stash in Australia - maybe that was a good batch?

Anyhow I will also bring a Mag of GC77 stored in the UK so this tasting's reputation is not irreparably harmed.
Thanks for stepping in like this :-)
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Re: 1977's - Tue 11th June 2024

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I have consulted with Julian and he's going to bring one of his suspicious GC77's and I'll bring one of my not quite so suspicious G77

That way we get all three to compare together .....

Julian - I think the placements need tweaking ..... :-)
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Re: 1977's - Tue 11th June 2024

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If we're having a few oddities, why don't I bring the Factory House 77 as an interesting bonus as well; it's not a great port, but some won't have seen/tried?
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Crikey, gird the loins for this tasting, as we are fast approaching the equivalent of two dozen bottles! And talking of tastings within tastings, if we had the Ni g ((which sadly I do not), then we would have another one…
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PhilW wrote: 10:38 Sun 26 May 2024 If we're having a few oddities, why don't I bring the Factory House 77 as an interesting bonus as well; it's not a great port, but some won't have seen/tried?
Excellent - I've added this to the front post .... 22 bottles .... perhaps we should stop adding bottles now ....

Then again .....
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jdaw1 wrote: 23:16 Thu 14 Nov 2019There will be fourteen of us, likely all full-capacity drinkers, and 14 × 1¼ = 17½. Table space limits us to 1×A3 + 1×A4, so to about 15 + 6 = 21 glasses. Would it be wrong to have between 18 and 20?
Table space is a genuine constraint.

It is more efficient if printing onto trimmed /A2 (e.g., Vesuvio on 24 Feb 2016, Rosa originally scheduled for 8 July 2021 — observe that 13 < 2 + 7√3 ≈ 14.1). Can anybody print to trimmed /A2?
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idj123 wrote: 10:45 Sun 26 May 2024 Crikey, gird the loins for this tasting, as we are fast approaching the equivalent of two dozen bottles! And talking of tastings within tastings, if we had the Ni g ((which sadly I do not), then we would have another one…
Funny I was thinking the same thing last night...kind of dumb not to include it :)
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idj123 wrote:Crikey, gird the loins for this tasting, as we are fast approaching the equivalent of two dozen bottles! And talking of tastings within tastings, if we had the Ni g ((which sadly I do not), then we would have another one…
I think the record for a large tasting is still the Fonseca tasting many years ago at the RAF club. Around 34-ish bottles (including dinner wines, excluding beer) IIRC. We started early, took a dinner break, and came back for round two. Worked out very nicely for so many bottles.
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Andy Velebil wrote: 03:36 Mon 27 May 2024I think the record for a large tasting is still the Fonseca tasting many years ago at the RAF club. Around 34-ish bottles (including dinner wines, excluding beer) IIRC. We started early, took a dinner break, and came back for round two. Worked out very nicely for so many bottles.
04 Apr 2011, Fonseca Guimaraens, and some Fonseca (review, planning, with 32 spots on the placemats).
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(Not a placemat design that I would choose to repeat.)
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Re: 1977's - Tue 11th June 2024

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For this small humble tasting, the placemats have been updated (images in first post). Somebody please check. The glasses pages are now on A2, which is to be trimmed.
Top trim 81.5mm ~= 3.21" ~= 231pt below top edge of A2 paper. Post-trim page height ~= 338.5mm ~= 13.33" ~= 959pt.
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24 glasses + 1 spare, times 14 people, is 350 stems. It might be polite to give the B&F more advance notice of plans than has hitherto been customary.
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jdaw1 wrote: 15:10 Sun 26 May 2024
jdaw1 wrote: 23:16 Thu 14 Nov 2019There will be fourteen of us, likely all full-capacity drinkers, and 14 × 1¼ = 17½. Table space limits us to 1×A3 + 1×A4, so to about 15 + 6 = 21 glasses. Would it be wrong to have between 18 and 20?
Table space is a genuine constraint.

It is more efficient if printing onto trimmed /A2 (e.g., Vesuvio on 24 Feb 2016, Rosa originally scheduled for 8 July 2021 — observe that 13 < 2 + 7√3 ≈ 14.1). Can anybody print to trimmed /A2?
The ovens can hold 20+ people around a table for dinner. Perhaps that would give more space for more stems.
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2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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Alex Bridgeman wrote: 22:56 Mon 27 May 2024The ovens can hold 20+ people around a table for dinner. Perhaps that would give more space for more stems.
The current design, twenty-four circles on trimmed /A2, has a width of 594mm ≈ /A4 × 2.83, so would fit comfortably in the Red Room.

But we are T minus fifteen days: how likely is it that we will hold at 24 bottles?
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This has just popped up in my diary as something I need to start thinking about. Better go and find that Morgan 1977...
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I am listed as, and planning to bring both the Delaforce and Fonseca Panascal - Neither seem to have made it on to the draft place mats

QH is on the place mats currently but no one is listed as bringing this (we have a BBR which is likely QH) do we want a QH? do we have room for one? if yes to both I will bring one :)
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I'm away for the weekend but will clarify this lot upon my return ....

I'm here if anybody cares ... :-)

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CPR 1 wrote: 16:28 Fri 31 May 2024 I am listed as, and planning to bring both the Delaforce and Fonseca Panascal - Neither seem to have made it on to the draft place mats

QH is on the place mats currently but no one is listed as bringing this (we have a BBR which is likely QH) do we want a QH? do we have room for one? if yes to both I will bring one :)
Since Martin is away I think it’s down to us all to make his decisions for him.

Obviously his answer will be “Yes. We need both. Thank you Charles.”
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The placemats have been updated, I hope correctly. It is the first time that the placemats have filled an A2 page.

Fourteen of us; twenty-six bottles, ‘only’ two of which are magnums. It seems that we won’t be going thirsty.
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it good to see that you are planning for the 50% hit rate of this vintage!
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CPR 1 wrote: 16:28 Fri 31 May 2024 I am listed as, and planning to bring both the Delaforce and Fonseca Panascal - Neither seem to have made it on to the draft place mats

QH is on the place mats currently but no one is listed as bringing this (we have a BBR which is likely QH) do we want a QH? do we have room for one? if yes to both I will bring one :)
I was going to say that MC (Michael) has a QH and possibly could swap it for the RO proffered (the QH being the better wine) as opposed to Charles bringing a third bottle.
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mcoulson wrote: 17:22 Fri 31 May 2024 I'm away for the weekend but will clarify this lot upon my return ....

I'm here if anybody cares ... :-)

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Mental! There are also people that would pay money for the exact opposite 😂
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jdaw1 wrote: 01:36 Sat 01 Jun 2024Fourteen of us; twenty-six bottles, ‘only’ two of which are magnums. It seems that we won’t be going thirsty.
Actually, please allow a stronger opinion. This is out of control. The B&F is unlikely to be able or willing to provide so many glasses (28 × 14 = 392), and we won’t manage to drink everything before closing time. Please could we delete some bottles. Suggestions: both single Gould Campbells; the Morano; the Ducal; the Royal Oporto. And a few more.
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Re: 1977's - Tue 11th June 2024

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I tend to agree a bit here and unless anyone has a good reason why I should not I'll do a bit of pruning when I'm back home Monday ....
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