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Glenn E. wrote:

AHB wrote:I thought JDAW was our resident pendant.

I heard that he and Daniel swing both ways.

I think Daniel is more of a spinner whilst JDAW is said to have a rather impressive Yorker.

DRT wrote:

Glenn E. wrote:

AHB wrote:I thought JDAW was our resident pendant.

I heard that he and Daniel swing both ways.

I think Daniel is more of a spinner whilst JDAW is said to have a rather impressive Yorker.

The yorker's my holiday ball.
TPF: Why's that Daniel?
Me: Pay attention, I just told you, it's Majorca!!!!!

{boom-boom}

DRT wrote:{boom-boom}

*bows*
or should that be
*ducks*

It’s just not cricket.

Captain Smith! Excellent. If anything could be guaranteed to cramp his batting style, this is it. I don't believe he's ready for this and look forward to seeing how he manages.

And now Rogers has retired. All is not well for Cap'n Smith.

DRT wrote:

Glenn E. wrote:

AHB wrote:I thought JDAW was our resident pendant.

I heard that he and Daniel swing both ways.

I think Daniel is more of a spinner whilst JDAW is said to have a rather impressive Yorker.

I step outside for a few moments and this is what we are reduced to. I expect a reference to the wrong 'un momentarily.

djewesbury wrote:Captain Smith! Excellent. If anything could be guaranteed to cramp his batting style, this is it. I don't believe he's ready for this and look forward to seeing how he manages.

He did good at Northants *sniggers*, good of him to make way for the lower order to get some time at the crease.

djewesbury wrote:And now Rogers has retired. All is not well for Cap'n Smith.

Interesting how quickly the wheels come off, I wonder what the odds are for the Oval?

LGTrotter wrote:I wonder what the odds are for the Oval?

England 13/10, Australia 13/8, Draw 11/4.

So not much in it.

Those are strange odds. I mean, there's not much between 13/10 and 13/8.

DRT wrote:

LGTrotter wrote:I wonder what the odds are for the Oval?

England 13/10, Australia 13/8, Draw 11/4.

Implied probabilities of Eng ≈43.5%, Aus ≈38.1%, Draw ≈26.7%. Which total ≈108.2% (rounding schmounding), so the bookies have a margin.

Still surprised. Would have expected England to be a little shorter.

djewesbury wrote:Still surprised. Would have expected England to be a little shorter.

If you really believe that the odds on England are too generous, you could make this market a little more efficient by taking advantage of them.

Since 4pm it has bucketed in Streatham. London weather forecasts for the next few days show some variability. Might this increase the likelihood of a draw?

jdaw1 wrote:Since 4pm it has bucketed in Streatham. London weather forecasts for the next few days show some variability. Might this increase the likelihood of a draw?

Possibly. I still think it's the least likely however.

DRT wrote:

LGTrotter wrote:I wonder what the odds are for the Oval?

England 13/10, Australia 13/8, Draw 11/4.

So not much in it.

Now England 5/4, Australia 7/5, Draw 7/2 - so Daniel must have put his millions on England.

DRT wrote:

DRT wrote:

LGTrotter wrote:I wonder what the odds are for the Oval?

England 13/10, Australia 13/8, Draw 11/4.

So not much in it.

Now England 5/4, Australia 7/5, Draw 7/2 - so Daniel must have put his millions on England.

Just one million. Easy, tiger.

jdaw1 wrote:Since 4pm it has bucketed in Streatham. London weather forecasts for the next few days show some variability. Might this increase the likelihood of a draw?

I see that both wins have shortened slightly, and the draw lengthened, from Julian's to Derek's odds offer. England are down from 2.30 to 2.25; Aus down from 2.63 to 2.4; and the Draw moves from 3.75 to 4.5. Given that we know Derek's odds come from Paddy Power (Derek's third cousin by marriage), it would be useful, for the sake of consistency, to know from whence Julian's odds were drawn.

Anyway, the draw seems to have become less likely.

djewesbury wrote:Paddy Power (Derek's third cousin by marriage)

Both of my parents are 50% Irish, so the odds on that would probably be quite short.

England won the toss and are bowling. Does JDAW think they have made a wrong decision?

djewesbury wrote:England won the toss and are bowling. Does JDAW think they have made a wrong decision?

JDAW observed that decision was infrequent. And the BBC comment “I doubt there's been too many occasions in recent times when the captain who has won the toss at The Oval has bowled first.” Let’s hope it’s the right decision.

The last time was last year. Cook won the toss and won by an innings.

47-0 with no near misses that I have heard suggests it wasn't the best decision.

47-0!! A disaster! Unprecedented! Sack Cook!

djewesbury wrote:47-0!! A disaster! Unprecedented! Sack Cook!

No quite.

The commentary before and for a while after the first ball included multiple optimistic references to "15 for 8". The last comment I heard was "if you win the toss and choose to bowl you don't want to end up at 200 for 2" in the afternoon.

Just saying.

DRT wrote:

djewesbury wrote:47-0!! A disaster! Unprecedented! Sack Cook!

No quite.

The commentary before and for a while after the first ball included multiple optimistic references to "15 for 8". The last comment I heard was "if you win the toss and choose to bowl you don't want to end up at 200 for 2" in the afternoon.

Just saying.

Everyone's a Cassandra, but very few people predict the correct Lottery numbers. Let's wait until after the first session to start guessing the outcome.

I'm not guessing the outcome - I am simply pointing out that the early gains that Cook presumably hoped to make by bowling first have not materialised.

My third cousin Paddy appears to agree: England 13/5, Australia 11/10, Draw 15/8.

Finn and Ali are bowling with some sense of threat. Let's wait and see, Alec Stewart.

djewesbury wrote:Finn and Ali are bowling with some sense of threat. Let's wait and see, Alec Stewart.

Meanwhile, in a galaxy far, far away from where Daniel is listening, Australia are 82 without anything close to a lost wicket and Warner has a half century.

Lunch, anyone?

They had better pull their fingers out if they are going to win this. Quite a sedentary sort of day. More of the same please, but a bit less Australia.

Has anyone seen Daniel?

Out for 10 (including a 4) from 42 balls - care to guess who?

Yesterday morning I was bemused to hear a BBC Sport journalist saying "Will they prove themselves to be the greatest England team of all time by winning the Fifth Test?"

To their credit, they are making a very good job of answering that stupid question.

Hmm. This had better still be going on Sunday. Or I have a refund and a day to fill.

The batting on both sides, with a few notable exceptions has been awful in this series. It has blunted my enjoyment of the win. And England seem no nearer to answering the top order conundrum. Someone was suggesting that Moeen open, which seems as sensible as any of the other ideas. Lyth has had his go and should be dropped forthwith. Hales is the other suggestion, I am not convinced by this. But then again I thought Buttler would be good and he has looked a bundle of nerves.

And I think Daniel will be going to church on Sunday because I doubt there will be any cricket.

djewesbury wrote:Hmm. This had better still be going on Sunday. Or I have a refund and a day to fill.

Yippee! Does that mean I get a refund too?

Hales made a double century today didn't he? Always the way.

DRT wrote:

djewesbury wrote:Hmm. This had better still be going on Sunday. Or I have a refund and a day to fill.

Yippee! Does that mean I get a refund too?

Yes. To spend on claret, with me. Them's the breaks.

djewesbury wrote:Hmm. This had better still be going on Sunday. Or I have a refund and a day to fill.

You and me (plus a child) both! Got two tickets for pavilion balcony. Only possible upside is that Jonnie is desperate to go but wouldn't last a full day. A couple of hours before watching England presented with the Ashes would mean both boys had seen England win the Ashes at the Oval!


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djewesbury wrote:

DRT wrote:

djewesbury wrote:Hmm. This had better still be going on Sunday. Or I have a refund and a day to fill.

Yippee! Does that mean I get a refund too?

Yes. To spend on claret, with me. Them's the breaks.

That works for me

benread wrote:

djewesbury wrote:Hmm. This had better still be going on Sunday. Or I have a refund and a day to fill.

You and me (plus a child) both! Got two tickets for pavilion balcony. Only possible upside is that Jonnie is desperate to go but wouldn't last a full day. A couple of hours before watching England presented with the Ashes would mean both boys had seen England win the Ashes at the Oval!


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If we get a morning's play I'll try and find you for a glass of something

Friday was so depressing that for the first time ever I left a test match before the day's play was over.

At least today there's a bit more application from some of the English batsmen.

My prediction for the UAE tour is that Lyth will keep his place but Bell will be dropped to make space for Ballance and Rasid will play instead of Wood.

I think Lyth will be dropped while Bell is allowed a holiday (don't say 'dropped', it's so undignified / honest).

At least you get to see a minimum of four balls of play tomorrow plus the presentation of the urn to the losing side.

If England survive to lunch (when the rain is due to start), this will be like 2005 all over again. Rain tomorrow afternoon and all Monday will mean a presentation in an empty Oval when play is finally abandoned some time on Monday, and the match is drawn. If that happens I'll be delighted. If >10 and <25 overs are bowled we get a 50% refund too.

A chap at work, who I have never spoken to before, sidled up to me today and with an stifled snigger said; "How did Bell get on today?"

Word seems to be getting out on my opinions.

Enjoy the game tomorrow.

djewesbury wrote:If England survive to lunch (when the rain is due to start), this will be like 2005 all over again. Rain tomorrow afternoon and all Monday will mean a presentation in an empty Oval when play is finally abandoned some time on Monday, and the match is drawn. If that happens I'll be delighted. If >10 and <25 overs are bowled we get a 50% refund too.

I had a similar discussion with Nuala last night! Going to bring Jonnie (4) today and about 2 hours would be perfect for him! I think wickets or weather mean that is fairly certain!


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This particular game ending in a draw would be a manifestly unfair outcome. Yes, I know, weather and cricket - blah, blah, blah. With the sole exception of Cook's second innings England have been pathetic and in my view have displayed a total lack of respect for their supporters who have paid £100 a day to watch a team that they finally believed were capable of putting on a show. Bring out the scythe.

Calm down dear. They played poorly but then again, every team does sometimes. You sound like Fred Trueman about to have an aneurysm. Go and have a lie down. I'll enjoy whatever play there is today.

I think you are missing the point, Daniel. It was only a few days ago that this team were talking of doing something that no other England team have done before and the press were lining them up to be heroes.

What has actually happened is that they have shown themselves to be unprofessional. I have watched most of this test and have been bemused to see the England players laughing and joking around in the pavilion whilst watching their teammates throw away their wickets. Should they not be angry, disappointed and determined to turn the game around rather than shrugging their shoulders and laughing it off like a Sunday afternoon game on the village green? This morning I heard one of them say something along the lines of "it doesn't matter how bad we play in this test we have already won the Ashes". That is disrespectful and unprofessional.

Enjoy your morning.