Cockburn's Rubies really that bad?

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Are Cockburn's Rubies that bad?

Yes, I have tried one recently and it stank the place out
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Yes, I cannot bear trying another since the last time it stank the place out
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Yes, Everybody says it's true, so it must be
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Yes, if you don't know how to make good expensive Port, how can you make cheap stuff good?
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No, but I liked Cruz VP 1989, so what do I know?
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KillerB
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Post by KillerB »

uncle tom wrote:KB - Have you had a duff bottle at some point?

Tom
Yes, all of them in fact.

OK, maybe they are not as bad as I think. It is just that Cockburn's is the Port that was just everywhere and was one of the ones that stopped me drinking better stuff for a long time. See also Fonseca Bin 27. I think I just don't like NV Rubies much: it's for cooking.
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Post by Andy Velebil »

Axel,

Port is broken down into two categories only, Wood aged and Bottle aged.

Wood aged (Tawny):
All colheita's, tawny's, Garrafeira's, tawny w/ an indication of age,


Bottle Aged (Ruby):
Rubies, VP's, SQVP's, LBV's, reserve,

The IVDP does consider White Ports to be their own category. But really they fit into the Ruby category as 99% of them are not aged for more than a few years before being bottled, like a standard Ruby. There are a handful of older white colheita's out there, and those would fall into the Wood aged Port category.

Of course this is the Port industry, so just to confuse you even more, there is now an offical White Port with an indication of age (10 years only) category. So that too would be a Wood Aged Port.
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As usual, we all all right in our own little way :lol:

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Derek T. wrote:As usual, we all all right in our own little way :lol:

Derek
I just wanted to put the screws to ya since I haven't busted your chops in a while :wink: :lol: ignore the above post and I'll go back to my bottle of 99 Warre's LBV 88)

BTW, do you mean...We all write in our own little way :twisted:
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So white with an indication of age is now officially recognised..

That's news - have any of the producers launched a product yet?

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uncle tom wrote:So white with an indication of age is now officially recognised..

That's news - have any of the producers launched a product yet?
Yup. Andresen have launched a 10 year old an it's available in the UK through the Laithwaites chain. I can't remember the cost though.
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Post by Axel P »

Thanks guys, but I definitely did not want to make a point like I know stuff.

If you guys use ruby only as the lower qualities of that style of port - fine with me, but there might be some misunderstanding if we dont use it in a standardized way. So why dont we get it straight. If we use the word ruby we mean ruby, otherwise lets go for the individual qualities, such as VP or LBV???

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Post by KillerB »

Blame it on the shippers. They are the ones that call their low-grade Ports 'Rubies': Cockburn's Ruby, Cruz Ruby etc. Even the supermarkets call their low-end junk 'Ruby'. This is why we refer to anything that is ruby and non-vintage as such, whether it is called 'Ruby', 'Special Reserve' or anything else that they want to pass it off. We will always call the LBV and VP by those labels.
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Post by Conky »

Agreed.

Common usage prevails.
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