Time for a TN sort?

[jdaw1]

Updated: parts 1 and 2.

Missing the middle initials of John Danza and Simon Lisle.

[jdaw1]

Time for an update. If I may now do this myself, please tell me how. If I can’t, somebody who can please cope.

[KillerB]

No - this is now done by direct database access, which means access to a part of the system which is not in your control. I will send the file to you... later.

[jdaw1]

Pls wait until tomorrow, as some TN will be entered later today.

[jdaw1]

Pls wait until tomorrow, as some TN will be entered later today.

They’re done. Ready when you are.

[RonnieRoots]

If you can wait a day or two extra.... I have a VP tasting this evening, and will add the notes asap.

[KillerB]

Oops - just sent it. But I can send an update afterwards.

[jdaw1]

Updated: parts 1 and 2.

Thank you for very helpful clean flat file, with what I needed, and happily devoid of massive amounts of clutter.

[DRT]

Is it time yet, or are we waiting until after the 1970 and Croft Off-lines?

[jdaw1]

Doing both works for me.

[jdaw1]

Croft offline writeups delayed by request of RAH. Several other tastings have gone in though, so an update would be a good idea. Please send.

[Alex Bridgeman]

You may need to do some tidying of Tasting Note titles first. I noted recently that Simon and Axel have posted with abbreviated years or shipper followed by year rather than the "standard" that we are trying to follow.

Alex

[KillerB]

You may need to do some tidying of Tasting Note titles first. I noted recently that Simon and Axel have posted with abbreviated years or shipper followed by year rather than the "standard" that we are trying to follow.

Alex

Already done and downloaded.

There are also a couple of senior members, one of whom is an AR pedantic administrator, who do not write "VP" nor "Vintage Port", assuming that we know it is not LBV nor Colheita. I will not name names.

[jdaw1]

Questions

Offley Boa Vista LBV, or Offley LBV?

Also, there was a little confusion about which bottle of G70 was this, resulting in delayed creation of this TN which ought to go in this batch. All you need tell me is the UNIX time — I have everything else.

Does Sandeman Imperial usually have an age indication? Did this have one?

[jdaw1]

What we’ve drunk at least ten times:

• 47 Ã Graham’s;
• 44 Ã Quinta do Vesuvio;
• 31 Ã Fonseca;
• 25 Ã Taylor;
• 25 Ã Warre;
• 22 Ã Nacional;
• 20 Ã Dow;
• 18 Ã Croft;
• 18 Ã Noval;
• 16 Ã Cockburn;
• 13 Ã Niepoort;
• 13 Ã Sandeman;
• 11 Ã Harvey’s (Martinez);
• 11 Ã Noval colheita;
• 11 Ã Taylor Quinta de Vargellas.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Observation only one:

We have tasting notes for "Berry Bros Selection" and for "Berry Brothers & Rudd", these should be combined in the future.

Alex

[jdaw1]

Fixed: Berry Brothers & Rudd Selection.

[DRT]

Does Sandeman Imperial usually have an age indication? Did this have one?

No. It is a premium ruby so should have NV in front.

[jdaw1]

I also improved the links on the front page.

[RonnieRoots]

Julian,

When browsing the TN index I noticed that Quinta do Passadouro is listed as "Niepoort Quinta ...".

The ties with Niepoort have been broken since 2004, and the 2005 vintage port (which is the only one in the index) is produced and bottled as an independant single quinta product.

Can you change this in the index?

[DRT]

The last post here was on 28 Feb - not sure if we have had an updated index since then but perhaps it is time to do it again anyway as we seem to have been rather productive in our drinking in recent weeks

Derek

[DRT]

The conversation about Jacob's TN Searchy Thingy that followed the above post has now been moved to here.

So, back on topic, can we please have a TN sort?

Thanks

Derek

[jdaw1]

Chief admin: please send the data on Friday.

[jdaw1]

Index updated today thanks to ARK for sending data. Cockburn (start here) is looking impressively complete.

[DRT]

I think the time is once again upon us.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Time for me to take a look and make sure I've posted all my recent notes!

[jdaw1]

Congratulations to AHB: that was the twenty-thousandth post on .

[DRT]

[jdaw1]

Done. Due to diligent drinking and note-taking by members of each of the two TN indexes (alphabetical, date) has grown to four posts.

[jdaw1]

Careful perusal has found some problems.

• Is Adams the same as Adam?
• 1995 Petre's Port vintage port? Allegedly by Niepoort, but not obviously mentioned on niepoort-vinhos.com.
  
  I’m going to call it ‟Petre’s” with no vintner’s website, unless somebody has a better plan.

[jdaw1]

And Vesuvio leads with 68 TNs, of which 24 are from Mr V. himself.

[DRT]

• Is Adams the same as Adam?

Yes.

[RonnieRoots]

Careful perusal has found some problems.

• 1995 Petre's Port vintage port? Allegedly by Niepoort, but not obviously mentioned on niepoort-vinhos.com.I’m going to call it ‟Petre’s” with no vintner’s website, unless somebody has a better plan.

Petre's was a second label by Niepoort that they sometimes produced (mostly on request I guess) but never actively marketed. I don't think the label is used anymore, as they now have "Secundum".

[jdaw1]

Should they be merged? ‟Secundum (Petre’s)”?

[Alex Bridgeman]

Personally, I would not merge these ports, but keep them separate. From what I have learnt, Petre was an experiment over a handful of vintages by Dirk to see if he could make a decent but low cost house vintage port for the restaurant trade - effectively a competitor to the Buyer's Own Brands. Secundum is different. It is a Niepoort Port which carries the Niepoort name and is blended to be in the Niepoort house style, even if more approachable when young.

My vote is to keep them separate anbd to show Petre's Port as just that.

[jdaw1]

My vote is to keep them separate anbd to show Petre's Port as just that.

As ‟Petre’s Port” or as ‟Niepoort (Petre’s)”? I think the latter more useful, but will defer to instruction.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I would suggest as "Petre's Port (Niepoort)" if we want to link the two together. The reason for suggesting this is that nowhere on the label is there a reference to the fact that this port comes from the Niepoort stable. Anyone finding a bottle and wanting to look it up will be searching the internet purely on the string "Petre's Port".

[jdaw1]

The sort order is separate from the name, but it looks more natural if the visual is close to the logical. Would ‟Niepoort: Petre’s Port” work perhaps with different punctuation? And you wouldn’t have to type this: just ‟Petre” would identify it to my software.

[RonnieRoots]

Secundum and Petre's are indeed two different types of port. Sorry if that wasn't clear from my previous post.

Alex' suggestion of Petre's Port (Niepoort) sounds most logical to me, but it really doesn't matter that much to me as long as the link with Niepoort is clearly shown.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I'm sure I could live with something along the lines of Niepoort - Petre's Port (or the punctuation that you believe is appropriate). I'm happy for you to try it and for us to see what it looks like in the next sort. Incidentally, there have been a lot of new tasting notes added recently - is it time for another update?

[jdaw1]

I can’t do my part of the update until 26th December. Perhaps Chief Admin would do his part at the last convenient moment before Boxing Day afternoon?

[jdaw1]

TN index re-made.

We lacks TNs from: ’93; ’81; ’73; ’69; only a colheita for ’61; ’59; ’56; ’54; ’51; ’49; ’46; ’43; ’39; ’36; ’28 to ’30, and too many earlier years. There are even whole decades where we have failed (e.g., the 1880s and 1840s).

[DRT]

We lacks TNs from: ’93...

I plan to open a Quinta das Licieras 1993 on 28th September 2011 so will plug that gap then, unless Tom opens his bottle first

Derek

[benread]

We lacks TNs from: ’93...

I plan to open a Quinta das Licieras 1993 on 28th September 2011 so will plug that gap then, unless Tom opens his bottle first

Derek

Your son's 18th birthday perhaps?!

[DRT]

We lacks TNs from: ’93...

I plan to open a Quinta das Licieras 1993 on 28th September 2011 so will plug that gap then, unless Tom opens his bottle first

Derek

Your son's 18th birthday perhaps?!

Correct

[DRT]

Something horrid has happened to the Smith Woodhouse vintage port entries in the Alphabetical TN Index

[JacobH]

ditto Warre

[jdaw1]

Ooops. Will fix later today.

Perhaps chief admin would update my data?

[jdaw1]

Chief admin updated data, and I have updated the indexes (alphabetical, date).

[Alex Bridgeman]

There is one port which is titled "Niepoort vintage port vintage port LBV
2004: MM on 14 Oct 2008"