Port brand abbreviations

[flash_uk]

Pl. Pm easily confused with Pn.

I was going to say Pm, as Pl is easily confused with Pi

[jdaw1]

Palmer? Pl or Pm?

I’m neutral between them. Is anybody willing to break the tie?

[M.Charlton]

Palmer? Pl or Pm?

I’m neutral between them. Is anybody willing to break the tie?

FTW, Pm.

[winesecretary]

I concede gracefully - Pm it is.

[PhilW]

Pl. Pm easily confused with Pn.

I was going to say Pm, as Pl is easily confused with Pi

In agreement with Mike.

[jdaw1]

Pm it is: done.

[Glenn E.]

Pm it is: done.

Late to the party, but either worked for me.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Pm it is: done.

But have they made more than three vintages?

Wine Searcher suggests they have only made 2015 and 2017. I haven’t looked through our vintage lists, but the question remains unanswered.

[jdaw1]

But have they made more than three vintages?

unless we wish to extend to colheitas now.

That is a fair question. We do seem to have strayed into colheita-land, so much that signposts would probably be welcome.

[Glenn E.]

unless we wish to extend to colheitas now.

That is a fair question. We do seem to have strayed into colheita-land, so much that signposts would probably be welcome.

That begs the question, what is the purpose of the brand abbreviations?

I dare guess that most tastings in the UK are VP-related. In that case, no abbreviations for Colheitas are really necessary. Especially when one also considers that most Colheita producers also produce VP and likely already have an abbreviation.

But if the purpose is to be able to reliably identify producers (most often on a tasting placemat, but also elsewhere), then we should have abbreviations for producers of Colheitas as well.

But... that creates a further question. How does one distinguish between a VP and a Colheita from the same producer and the same year? Or should that be left to context (in a forum post) or AboveTitles / BelowTitles on a placemat?

[Alex Bridgeman]

I always use a lower case “c” after the shipper / year abbreviation to denote a colheita.

Thus N03 and N03c would represent Quinta do Noval 2003 Vintage Port and Quinta do Noval 2003 Colheita Port.

This has the simplicity of being brief but easy to understand.

[jdaw1]

In any year a producer might make a VP, a colheita, an LBV, a crusted, perhaps even a white. Surely their purpose is to give a role and meaning to the placemat software’s Abovetitles, Belowtitles, and Overtitles.