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PhilW wrote: 13:06 Sun 05 Jun 2022
MigSU wrote:There's also a Quinta de Santa Eufémia (which interestingly is right next to Casa de Santa Eufémia). Using just SE might cause confusion (unless Quinta de Santa Eufémia already has an abbreviation).
Thank you for clarifying; I was not aware of both - and indeed was thinking of Quinta de Santa Eufémia, demonstrating exactly the potential confusion you describe. In which case I would suggest:
SE : Quinta de Santa Eufémia (qSE for me)
CSE : Casa de Santa Eufémia



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Would it make more sense to have Quinta de Santa Eufemia as QSE? Someone seeing just the SE alone could confuse it with Casa de Santa Eufemia.
It would also be consistent with the CSE if you used QSE.
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jdaw1 wrote: 14:24 Sun 05 Jun 2022I much prefer they match: {qSE, cSE}, or {QSE, CSE}.
Capitals seem to be winning.
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jdaw1 wrote:
jdaw1 wrote: 14:24 Sun 05 Jun 2022I much prefer they match: {qSE, cSE}, or {QSE, CSE}.
Capitals seem to be winning.
Indeed, I think I'm the only person voting the other way, so capitals it shall be.
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Belatedly since Phil has conceded, I will express a preference for capitals.
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As CSE and QSE I'm assuming they will now have to appear separately in the list, whereas with cSE and qSE they could be positioned together at the "SE" point ignoring the pre-pend.
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Well, they are different producers, now.
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MigSU wrote: 10:59 Thu 09 Jun 2022 Well, they are different producers, now.
Exactly. The have some old stocks in common, but have gone separate ways at this point. IIRC they have even diverged as to which categories they produce.
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The outcome of a previous struggle has been proven correct.

DSR happily avoids collision with DR Port. Which is technically Agri-Roncao DR Port, but I have never heard it referred to by the long name.

So... vintages go back to 2001. A newer player in VP, but one that is very famous for their outstanding tawny Ports.

What to call DR Port? Options seem to be AR (technically correct, but confusing due to non-use) or DR (confusing as per DB, DG, DSR, etc.) or the option certain to give jdaw1 a migraine, ARDR which looks and sounds like a Star Wars droid.

To the best of my knowledge it has never been used, but the possibility exists for Agri-Roncao to release a DR Port from Quinta da Levandeira do Roncao. This, annoyingly for me, seems to point toward AR being the correct abbreviation with ARLR or ARL being the hypothetical SQVP.
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Glenn E. wrote: 23:17 Tue 04 Oct 2022 The outcome of a previous struggle has been proven correct.

DSR happily avoids collision with DR Port. Which is technically Agri-Roncao DR Port, but I have never heard it referred to by the long name.

So... vintages go back to 2001. A newer player in VP, but one that is very famous for their outstanding tawny Ports.

What to call DR Port? Options seem to be AR (technically correct, but confusing due to non-use) or DR (confusing as per DB, DG, DSR, etc.) or the option certain to give jdaw1 a migraine, ARDR which looks and sounds like a Star Wars droid.

To the best of my knowledge it has never been used, but the possibility exists for Agri-Roncao to release a DR Port from Quinta da Levandeira do Roncao. This, annoyingly for me, seems to point toward AR being the correct abbreviation with ARLR or ARL being the hypothetical SQVP.
Abbreviations are set on brand rather than company (unless they are the same thing) therefore no need to mention the company name of Agri-Roncao for me. Branding is clearly DR, and at least to date that abbreviation is available, so would be my preference. Note examples such as Gonzales Byass as GB, even though we have Graham (G) and Graham Malvedos (GM), and similar. A DR-branded single quinta from Quinta da Levandeira do Roncao would then be DRLR, but let's worry about that if/when it happens.
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DR makes by far the most sense to me, but I was attempting to be objective and perhaps overshot the mark. :-)
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No objection to DR = DR Port.
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Ft = Fletcher ?
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jdaw1 wrote: 19:59 Wed 16 Nov 2022 Ft = Fletcher ?
Works for me.
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I'd prefer Fl.

Ft just makes me think of Feist.
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Alex Bridgeman wrote: 18:46 Mon 28 Nov 2022I'd prefer Fl.
I don’t love the ‘l’ = lower-case el: too much like an ‘I’ = upper-case eye, or a ‘1’ = digit one. If not Ft, would Fc be acceptable?
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jdaw1 wrote: 19:07 Tue 29 Nov 2022
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 18:46 Mon 28 Nov 2022I'd prefer Fl.
I don’t love the ‘l’ = lower-case el: too much like an ‘I’ = upper-case eye, or a ‘1’ = digit one. If not Ft, would Fc be acceptable?
Too true, I first read it as FI (capital eye) before seeing it was referring to Fletcher and taking another look.
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Thirded.
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