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jdaw1 wrote: 12:48 Wed 11 May 2022
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 23:22 Tue 10 May 2022a bottle of Quinta de Vale da Figueira 1997
Fg? Note, ≠ FG.
Due to issues related to case-sensitive searching (and the scope for typos) I’m not a fan of Fg given the existence of FG.
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M.Charlton wrote: 13:53 Wed 11 May 2022
jdaw1 wrote: 12:48 Wed 11 May 2022
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 23:22 Tue 10 May 2022a bottle of Quinta de Vale da Figueira 1997
Fg? Note, ≠ FG.
Due to issues related to case-sensitive searching (and the scope for typos) I’m not a fan of Fg given the existence of FG.
Am inclined to agree. Would prefer maybe VFg, or even VF.
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PhilW wrote: 13:43 Wed 11 May 2022Hv?
Hv = Harvey: works for me.


MigSU wrote: 14:05 Wed 11 May 2022VF
VF = Quinta de Val da Figueira: works for me.
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jdaw1 wrote: 14:12 Wed 11 May 2022 Hv = Harvey: works for me.
VF = Quinta de Val da Figueira: works for me.
Done.
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Hv and VF make sense to me.
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nac wrote: 15:06 Thu 21 Apr 2022Reccua 1995
Not Rc, as
PhilW wrote: 14:51 Tue 28 May 2013Rc = Porto Rocha
In Portuguese pronunciation, which is the strongest vowel?
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jdaw1 wrote: 21:28 Fri 03 Jun 2022
nac wrote: 15:06 Thu 21 Apr 2022Reccua 1995
Not Rc, as
PhilW wrote: 14:51 Tue 28 May 2013Rc = Porto Rocha
In Portuguese pronunciation, which is the strongest vowel?
In Portuguese the pronunciation should be something like RO-cha. Absent any form of accent in a word, emphasis is normally on the 2nd to last syllable. There are exceptions and oddities, of course, but that's normally how it works. (And is also how I've always heard Rocha pronounced.)
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Yes, that's correct. RRÉ-cua, RRÓ-sha (double 'R' to show that it's not a rolling 'R').
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So Re = Reccua ?
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I'd be tempted to go with Rc if it isn't already in use. The 'é' isn't noteable to me in the pronunciation, whereas the 'cc' is.

Also, for the record, I believe it is Porto Réccua.
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Well, both have an equally strong case to get Rc if we're going by pronunciation. Sooo.....coin toss?
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Glenn E. wrote: 00:48 Sat 04 Jun 2022 I'd be tempted to go with Rc if it isn't already in use. The 'é' isn't noteable to me in the pronunciation, whereas the 'cc' is.
MigSU wrote: 03:23 Sat 04 Jun 2022 Well, both have an equally strong case to get Rc if we're going by pronunciation. Sooo.....coin toss?
No, Rc is already in use for Rocha, so not available for consideration, unless we felt sufficiently strongly to overturn previous decisions and use; in this case I do not think that is warranted.
jdaw1 wrote: 23:57 Fri 03 Jun 2022 So Re = Reccua ?
Works for me.
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PhilW wrote: 08:17 Sat 04 Jun 2022 No, Rc is already in use for Rocha, so not available for consideration, unless we felt sufficiently strongly to overturn previous decisions and use; in this case I do not think that is warranted.
Ah, fair enough. Re it is, then.
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Glenn E. wrote: 00:48 Sat 04 Jun 2022Also, for the record, I believe it is Porto Réccua.
Porto Réccua Vinhos, and hence it must be
PhilW wrote: 14:51 Tue 28 May 2013 = Réccua
as used in the placemats for the LBV tasting on 23rd June 2022.
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I need an abbreviation for the single quinta Port from Duorum's Castelo Melhor estate. Any objections to DuCM?

The proposed two letter suffix avoids any confusion which might just possibly arise from the Quinta dos Canais wines from Cockburn or the Cavadinha wines from Warre, both of which have a suffix of xxC.
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How do we abbreviate the Adam's labelled wines from Royal Oporto? ROA?
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And how about FH for the occasional Factory House blends which were made from time to time?
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Casa Santa Eufemia have been making and shipping Vintage Port for a while. I know them to have shipped wines from 1999, 2003, 2010 and 2016.

Should they be abbreviated to CSE?
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Quinta Dona Matilde? DM?
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Quinta da Eira Velha? Which has made wines under the names of Hunt Roope, Martinez, and its own name (as part of the SFE portfolio).

EV either on its own or as a suffix to HR or Mz - which also leads to the question of what should be the abbreviation for Hunt Roope...
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Hunt Roope = TH.



We’ve used EV for Eira Velha, perhaps not consistently with other abbreviations. E.g.:
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Alex Bridgeman wrote: 11:07 Sun 05 Jun 2022 I need an abbreviation for the single quinta Port from Duorum's Castelo Melhor estate. Any objections to DuCM?

The proposed two letter suffix avoids any confusion which might just possibly arise from the Quinta dos Canais wines from Cockburn or the Cavadinha wines from Warre, both of which have a suffix of xxC.
DuCM works for me.
n.b. If it were just Dourum Castelo, I would have had no problem with DuC, we only need to ensure the quinta part is unique per-brand imo. However per Agua Alta and others, Castelo Melhor would naturally be CM for me, so DuCM makes sense.
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 11:10 Sun 05 Jun 2022 How do we abbreviate the Adam's labelled wines from Royal Oporto? ROA?
Ad for Adams. The fact it happens to be RO underneath is not relevant, naming by brand.
n.b. I'm surprised not to find it already in the list; in which case this is proposed.
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 11:17 Sun 05 Jun 2022 And how about FH for the occasional Factory House blends which were made from time to time?
Agreed, and indeed already used by myself elsewhere.
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 11:39 Sun 05 Jun 2022 Casa Santa Eufemia have been making and shipping Vintage Port for a while. I know them to have shipped wines from 1999, 2003, 2010 and 2016.
Should they be abbreviated to CSE?
Personally would prefer SE. Up for discussion of other options, preferences?
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 11:47 Sun 05 Jun 2022 Quinta Dona Matilde? DM?
Works for me, though with a warning as mentioned previously - we have a lot of new single-quinta brands in recent years. I've started using a small q in front for some purposes, i.e. for this I would use qDM. I'm not expecting to backward fit, though I personally am using e.g. qLR instead of LR now, and this could potentially help if the expansion of SQ brands continues.
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PhilW wrote: 12:44 Sun 05 Jun 2022
Alex Bridgeman wrote: 11:39 Sun 05 Jun 2022 Casa Santa Eufemia have been making and shipping Vintage Port for a while. I know them to have shipped wines from 1999, 2003, 2010 and 2016.
Should they be abbreviated to CSE?
Personally would prefer SE. Up for discussion of other options, preferences?
There's also a Quinta de Santa Eufémia (which interestingly is right next to Casa de Santa Eufémia). Using just SE might cause confusion (unless Quinta de Santa Eufémia already has an abbreviation).
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MigSU wrote:There's also a Quinta de Santa Eufémia (which interestingly is right next to Casa de Santa Eufémia). Using just SE might cause confusion (unless Quinta de Santa Eufémia already has an abbreviation).
Thank you for clarifying; I was not aware of both - and indeed was thinking of Quinta de Santa Eufémia, demonstrating exactly the potential confusion you describe. In which case I would suggest:
SE : Quinta de Santa Eufémia (qSE for me)
CSE : Casa de Santa Eufémia



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jdaw1 wrote: 12:21 Sun 05 Jun 2022 Hunt Roope = TH.
I didn't realise that. I'll amend the list to reflect the fact that Hunt Roope and Tuke Holdsworth are the same producer and therefore have the same abbreviation despite the difference in brand - analogous to Dalva and Presidential.
Top Ports in 2021: Niepoort Garrafeira 1931; Niepoort VV (1960s bottling) and Cockburn 1969 Single Harvest Tawny

Top Port in 2022 so far: the most stunning bottle of Quinta do Noval Nacional 1931. I have never drunk such a wonderful bottle of Port.
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