Zzzzzzzz.........DRT wrote:Not true. The wines are made and owned by the individual shipping companies. They are bottled and shipped by SFE.RAYC wrote:Most of the "names" on the labels are nowadays "brands" rather than the producer. Exhibit (A) is the Symington stable: all (apart from Vesuvio / Capela / Roriz) are - so far as i am aware - technically produced by the "Symington Family Estates" legal entity that is named as the bottler in the label small-print.
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Dow is a "port house".
Dow Quinta do Bomfim is a wine produced by the port house known as Dow.
Dow Quinta do Bomfim is a wine produced by the port house known as Dow.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Shhhh! Can't you see I'm just getting him back for all that spurious nonsense about 1972?djewesbury wrote:Zzzzzzzz.........DRT wrote:Not true. The wines are made and owned by the individual shipping companies. They are bottled and shipped by SFE.RAYC wrote:Most of the "names" on the labels are nowadays "brands" rather than the producer. Exhibit (A) is the Symington stable: all (apart from Vesuvio / Capela / Roriz) are - so far as i am aware - technically produced by the "Symington Family Estates" legal entity that is named as the bottler in the label small-print.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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ZZZZZZZZ kerplonk *falls out of bed*DRT wrote:Shhhh! Can't you see I'm just getting him back for all that spurious nonsense about 1972?djewesbury wrote:Zzzzzzzz.........DRT wrote:Not true. The wines are made and owned by the individual shipping companies. They are bottled and shipped by SFE.RAYC wrote:Most of the "names" on the labels are nowadays "brands" rather than the producer. Exhibit (A) is the Symington stable: all (apart from Vesuvio / Capela / Roriz) are - so far as i am aware - technically produced by the "Symington Family Estates" legal entity that is named as the bottler in the label small-print.
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That's very ill-defined. "Dow" is the brand. Silva & Cosens LDA is the legal entity that owns the IP, potentially the Quintas (but who knows...?). "Symington Family Estates" is the legal entity that is the "bottler" (somehow even for ports that were bottled before it existed...but nowadays at the Quinta do Sol facility) and distributes the port.DRT wrote:Dow is a "port house".
Dow Quinta do Bomfim is a wine produced by the port house known as Dow.
"Port house" essentially means nothing if you actually look at the way these groups are structured.
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I'll give you that one. A bad example from me, and one that is quite unique in the trade.RAYC wrote:"Dow" is the brand. Silva & Cozens LDA is the legal entity that owns the IP
I disagree. It is a very easy leap to interpret "port house" as the primary name of the brand. Fonseca, Taylor, Warre, Vesuvio, Noval, Sandeman, Ferriera, etc. The sub-brands of those companies are not "port houses". The groups to which most of these "port houses" now belong have never sought to establish themselves as a brand in the context of individual wines.RAYC wrote:"Port house" essentially means nothing if you actually look at the way these groups are structured.
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Is there a term of art for a major diversion from a minor diversion?
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I'm sure there's a Greek word for it. Paraphrasis? Hyperperissologia?RAYC wrote:Is there a term of art for a major diversion from a minor diversion?
(I've made those up.)
Perhaps "Turnbullism" is best.
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I'm impressed with RAYC's ingenuity; I'm quite happy with the use of the quinta name by itself when the wine is sold independently as Quinta do/da XXX, though I think that Vau and Tua fail that test. However, building on RAYC's example, we could have:
to get 5 (Noval, Nova, Dow, Dalva, Adam) if "Adam" is allowable
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Re: Another minor diversion
I think it would need to be Adams, not Adam.
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My gut would agree, but we use Warre and Graham, rather than Warre's and Graham's; I'm not sure what Adam/Adams/Adam's says on the bottle though; I noted that our tasting note index uses Adam in 4/5 cases (ref) which is why I though there might be a chance of acceptability.DRT wrote:I think it would need to be Adams, not Adam.
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Obviously the central position in the grid needs to be occupied by an apostrophePhilW wrote:My gut would agree, but we use Warre and Graham, rather than Warre's and Graham's; I'm not sure what Adam/Adams/Adam's says on the bottle though; I noted that our tasting note index uses Adam in 4/5 cases (ref) which is why I though there might be a chance of acceptability.DRT wrote:I think it would need to be Adams, not Adam.
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The bottle we had with Alex says "Adams" on the label. I had it in mind that this was a port shipping company named after a man with the surname Adams rather than Adam. So the possessive would be Adams's.PhilW wrote:My gut would agree, but we use Warre and Graham, rather than Warre's and Graham's; I'm not sure what Adam/Adams/Adam's says on the bottle though; I noted that our tasting note index uses Adam in 4/5 cases (ref) which is why I though there might be a chance of acceptability.DRT wrote:I think it would need to be Adams, not Adam.
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In that case Adam would not be allowed in this quiz, so still only scoring 4, and tasting note index should be updated (in either case since it uses both) to the determined correct version.DRT wrote:The bottle we had with Alex[/url] says "Adams" on the label. I had it in mind that this was a port shipping company named after a man with the surname Adams rather than Adam.
Re: Another minor diversion
I will check my books when I get home. That label could be a crime.
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Any news?DRT wrote:I will check my books when I get home. That label could be a crime.
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Sorry, forgot, and not near my books until Friday.PhilW wrote:Any news?DRT wrote:I will check my books when I get home. That label could be a crime.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Re: Another minor diversion
I can only find a few references to this shipper in books and all of them say "Adams".
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thanks for the confirmation. Proposed 5 invalid then, 4 still highest 3x3. Tasting note index will also need correction.DRT wrote:I can only find a few references to this shipper in books and all of them say "Adams".