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On what date did the wine merchant deliver this Port?
Is it “4 Jan 1911” (which was a Wednesday)?
Is it “4 Jan 1911” (which was a Wednesday)?
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Are there any immediately preceding or subsequent dates in the ledger?
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And is this definitely a date?
Is it possible to include more of the surrounding text as context?
Is it possible to include more of the surrounding text as context?
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Yes, definitely a date.
Yes, definitely a date.
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Agree on "4 Jan 1911"
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Yes. Seeing his looped Js and the rounded nature of his other characters confirms this.
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Thank you team.
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And Jan makes sense given the chronological sequencing - it immediately follows 1914, and is then followed by date entries which look like March and April.
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You're looking at the wrong image.flash_uk wrote:And Jan makes sense given the chronological sequencing - it immediately follows 1914, and is then followed by date entries which look like March and April.
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Who is the second partner in the wine merchant selling the Martinez 1904?
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Could it be (a surprisingly French) “frère”? Or “friere”, with lower-case ‘f’?
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Could it be (a surprisingly French) “frère”? Or “friere”, with lower-case ‘f’?
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& Grieve.
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Look at the similarity of the start of the unknown word to the two occurrences of "the" earlier in the photo. I would see the unknown word as being something such as THRIEVE
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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Thrieve? Are you smoking crack? That's an 'and' sign (reduced ampersand) and a G.
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Interesting.djewesbury wrote:& Grieve.
And this picture came from Trinity College.A [url=http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD/GBR/2938/CCCC02/S/CCCC02/S/53a/21]reference in a Cambridge library entitled “Memorandum re Hamilton & Grieve of St James St”[/url] wrote:'Grieve is a Trinity man, friend of Bullough). Basil Arthur Firebrace Grieve, d. 1917.
Edit: your researching the name was faster.
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No. Skunk. Goes better with Dow '91.djewesbury wrote:Thrieve? Are you smoking crack? That's an 'and' sign (reduced ampersand) and a G.
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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I completely agree.AHB wrote:No. Skunk. Goes better with Dow '91.djewesbury wrote:Thrieve? Are you smoking crack? That's an 'and' sign (reduced ampersand) and a G.
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I should point out that it was my keen, orthographic detective's eye which revealed the answer. Google followed after, as corroboration.
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I knew that. You are clearly feeling insecure in needing to point it out. Man up.djewesbury wrote:I should point out that it was my keen, orthographic detective's eye which revealed the answer. Google followed after, as corroboration.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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I just thought I should advertise my good points. Like the Americans do.
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Small image:
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“Sealed G. B. Clarke & Co”? “… & Son”? Other?
(Nothing else in this hand: no further clues.)
Link to large image, with original colouration.
“Sealed G. B. Clarke & Co”? “… & Son”? Other?
(Nothing else in this hand: no further clues.)
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Whence comes this Croft 1834?
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(Second picture has added brightness and contrast, and colour completely de-saturated.)
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Bin No. 58 Port
1875 April 13 Bought by ?. C. ???? Esq
of ?? ?????? "1834"
Thompson and Crofts at 75/-
cost with expenses 100/-
I can't decipher the buyer's name or seller's name properly, the latter looks something like "Wm. Tilliffe" (shortened Wilhelm?) but I have no confidence in that reading. Does look like purchase of "1834 Thompson & Crofts" though, not just Croft.
1875 April 13 Bought by ?. C. ???? Esq
of ?? ?????? "1834"
Thompson and Crofts at 75/-
cost with expenses 100/-
I can't decipher the buyer's name or seller's name properly, the latter looks something like "Wm. Tilliffe" (shortened Wilhelm?) but I have no confidence in that reading. Does look like purchase of "1834 Thompson & Crofts" though, not just Croft.
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My question asked “whence”. You have answered everything else (though I think the no-expenses cost was 95/-). And Croft was formerly known as Thompson & Croft.