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vintage port
Posted: 00:10 Sat 10 Aug 2013
by audi4563
hi, my 86 yr old auntie has given me 3 bottles of vintage port to sell and also a bottle of 70% john haig Dimples whisky, we know one of them is worth quite a lot. we need to know how to go about selling them, can anyone advise me, Thanks
Re: vintage port
Posted: 06:57 Sat 10 Aug 2013
by jdaw1
Hello.
Please say more. Please say what the ports are or post a picture of each bottle. And how have they been stored perhaps standing in the kitchen, or lying down in a cupboard under the stairs, or something else?
Also, where are you? (Or more usefully, where are the bottles?)
70% whisky is unusual. Again, a photo would be very welcome.
Thank you.
Re: vintage port
Posted: 11:04 Sat 10 Aug 2013
by audi4563
NIEPOORT'S, 30 yr old port, aged in wood and bottled 1978
KOPKE Quinta Luiz vintage port 1977
Constantino's vintage port, 1927
Dimples 70% john haig whisky
they have been stored in the bottom of my aunts wardrobe since she's had them, we live in Rochester , Kent.
I will get photos and upload them asap.
Re: vintage port
Posted: 12:07 Sat 10 Aug 2013
by DRT
The method of storage is not good news for the value of the Port but will probably not affect the whisky.
For how long has your grandmother had these bottles?
Has the Port been stored standing up or lying down?
Re: vintage port
Posted: 13:34 Sat 10 Aug 2013
by jdaw1
audi4563 wrote:86 yr old auntie
DRT wrote:grandmother
Perhaps easy to confuse at this distance.
Re: vintage port
Posted: 14:14 Sat 10 Aug 2013
by DRT
Oops! Sorry.
Re: vintage port
Posted: 17:16 Sat 10 Aug 2013
by g-man
FWIW, the constantino 1927 just came on auction blocks last month, I lost my bid at 250,
hammer was 300$ + 23% buyers
Re: vintage port
Posted: 15:29 Sun 11 Aug 2013
by audi4563
my aunt has had these for 40+ yrs, they were in her cellar lying down until about 20yrs ago where they have been in the bottom of her wardrobe
Re: vintage port
Posted: 15:33 Sun 11 Aug 2013
by audi4563
not sure if its me just being thick but i cant see how i put photo's on !!!
Re: vintage port
Posted: 16:08 Sun 11 Aug 2013
by djewesbury
audi4563 wrote:not sure if its me just being thick but i cant see how i put photo's on !!!
it's not you being thick - it is a bit fiddly. you need to have them uploaded somewhere (tumblr, or a page on a website you have access to, or something similar), and then link to them using the url, like so:
Code: Select all
[img]http://www.yourimageURLhere.com[/img]
Re: vintage port
Posted: 22:33 Sun 11 Aug 2013
by jdaw1
Re: vintage port
Posted: 22:34 Sun 11 Aug 2013
by jdaw1
Re: vintage port
Posted: 22:35 Sun 11 Aug 2013
by jdaw1
Re: vintage port
Posted: 22:37 Sun 11 Aug 2013
by jdaw1
26⅔ fl. oz., so pre-1973ish; and 70° proof = 40%.
Re: vintage port
Posted: 22:38 Sun 11 Aug 2013
by jdaw1
I have been sent a lot of large pictures. PM me if you want to be sent those of a particular bottle.
Re: vintage port
Posted: 17:20 Mon 12 Aug 2013
by mpij
The Dimple lablel shows 70 degrees proof which I think is aprox 40% abv.
Re: vintage port
Posted: 17:23 Mon 12 Aug 2013
by JB vintage
Fake alert!
Hello everyone! Please take care if you are interested in buying the Constantino 1927. The seal is from the 1990's and is not a seal for Constantino 1927.
Re: vintage port
Posted: 17:29 Mon 12 Aug 2013
by RAYC
It may have been released ex-cellars?
I know that AHB has had a Constantino 27 that had a selo...
How do you date the selo so precisely to the 1990s?
Re: vintage port
Posted: 18:29 Mon 12 Aug 2013
by DRT
I think that style of selo came into use in the 1970's, which is consistent with the story. As far as I am aware all 1927s would have had no selo when originally released as (a) they would almost all have been bottled outside Gaia and (b) the selo didn't come into use until after the IVP was created in 1931. It is highly likely that a number of bottles were released from the Constantino cellars when the brand was acquired by Ferreira.
I think this bottle is not a fake.
Re: vintage port
Posted: 18:32 Mon 12 Aug 2013
by g-man
RAYC wrote:It may have been released ex-cellars?
I know that AHB has had a Constantino 27 that had a selo...
How do you date the selo so precisely to the 1990s?
unless it was released ex cellars, I dont believe it's possible for anything pre 30s? (don't quote me on year i'm fuzzy) to have a selo.
as with the 1990s, I'd be curious to know also!
I've tried with contacting the ivdp in the past, but they really only respond to certain parties
Re: vintage port
Posted: 18:34 Mon 12 Aug 2013
by audi4563
the constantino port 1927 was given to my uncle in late 40's - early 50's. My uncle worked for Kork n seal on the isle of dogs where the corks were made, he went to portugal to where the cork making trees were, he was given this bottle from the owners private collection, 1927 was the yr my aunt was born
Re: vintage port
Posted: 18:37 Mon 12 Aug 2013
by Glenn E.
mpij wrote:The Dimple lablel shows 70 degrees proof which I think is aprox 40% abv.
40% via the British conversion (proof = 7/4 ABV) but 35% using the American conversion (proof = 2 * ABV).
Probably 40% then seeing as it's Scottish.
Re: vintage port
Posted: 18:45 Mon 12 Aug 2013
by RAYC
audi4563 wrote:the constantino port 1927 was given to my uncle in late 40's - early 50's.
Are you sure about this?
This presents a difficulty in believability - the white paper seal that covers the wax is a style that, as DRT mentions in the post above, didn't come into use until at least the 1970s (and JBvintage thinks comes from the 1990s).
Broadly speaking, the seal is only added when the bottle is being prepared to be shipped / sold from the Port lodge / winery. This means that, while you can have a very old wine with a modern seal, you can't have a very old wine with a modern seal that was given to your uncle in the 40s / 50s (unless he himself added the seal at a later date)!
[edit: i also notice that the bottle has a moulded glass logo on it - i must admit, i've never seen a bottle from the 20s / 30s with this feature, but i'm no expert by any means. Could this be an incorrectly labelled colheita?)]
Re: vintage port
Posted: 18:57 Mon 12 Aug 2013
by g-man
RAYC wrote:audi4563 wrote:the constantino port 1927 was given to my uncle in late 40's - early 50's.
Are you sure about this?
This presents a difficulty in believability - the white paper seal that covers the wax is a style that, as DRT mentions in the post above, didn't come into use until at least the 1970s (and JBvintage thinks comes from the 1990s).
Broadly speaking, the seal is only added when the bottle is being prepared to be shipped / sold from the Port lodge / winery. This means that, while you can have a very old wine with a modern seal, you can't have a very old wine with a modern seal that was given to your uncle in the 40s / 50s (unless he himself added the seal at a later date)!
[edit: i also notice that the bottle has a moulded glass logo on it - i must admit, i've never seen a bottle from the 20s / 30s with this feature, but i'm no expert by any means)]
moulded glass / logo actually came around in the early 1800s I believe so it's entirely possible.
however without looking at the empty contents of the bottle itself, it's kinda hard to pinpoint a date from the photos
Re: vintage port
Posted: 19:17 Mon 12 Aug 2013
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote:I have been sent a lot of large pictures. PM me if you want to be sent those of a particular bottle.
