Port for sale by retailer

[DRT]

I don't think I have had the Panascal but have drunk the FG96 a number of times and it is a solid Port. I have some in storage and have seen it on offer in Waitrose and somewhere else (can't remember where) for around £25 per bottle recently.

[Alex Bridgeman]

BBR have 4 bottles of 2011 Nacional available at £750 per bottle retail (c. £625ib).

Still 4 left - not rushing off the shelf at that price.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I've just seen bottles of Graham Crusted Bottled in 1998 appear on the shelves of my local Sainsbury for £14 each.

And all 4 bottles of Noval Nacional 2011 @ £750 have gone from the BBR list.

[djewesbury]

And all 4 bottles of Noval Nacional 2011 @ £750 have gone from the BBR list.

Did you get a good deal?

[Alex Bridgeman]

And all 4 bottles of Noval Nacional 2011 @ £750 have gone from the BBR list.

Did you get a good deal?

If only! I did buy one bottle from Berry's just to make sure I got some, but bought at their first offer price - which was bad enough!

[djewesbury]

In Dublin today for work, I nipped into James Fox's, a venerable tobacconist on College Green, opposite the main gate of Trinity College; an older gentleman recently corrupted me and I was looking for a double corona to take home. Imagine my surprise to discover that, amongst the whiskies on sale, they also had a rather large quantity of Delaforce 1994, at €49.95 / bottle (the bottles were standing upright, resting on an OWC...)
Any thoughts on this vintage / price? I understand that Nick made this one, is that the case?
(I enquired and this is the only port, and the only vintage, that they have.)

[Alex Bridgeman]

In Dublin today for work, I nipped into James Fox's, a venerable tobacconist on College Green, opposite the main gate of Trinity College; an older gentleman recently corrupted me and I was looking for a double corona to take home. Imagine my surprise to discover that, amongst the whiskies on sale, they also had a rather large quantity of Delaforce 1994, at €49.95 / bottle (the bottles were standing upright, resting on an OWC...)
Any thoughts on this vintage / price? I understand that Nick made this one, is that the case?
(I enquired and this is the only port, and the only vintage, that they have.)

It was indeed Nick's first vintage making the port for Delaforce, and might have been his only major vintage (I can't remember if he made the 1997). It's not a bad port, one which I quite enjoyed the only time I tried it. €50 a bottle for an almost mature port of decent quality is a fair price if the bottles haven't been standing upright since being shipped in 1996!

[jdaw1]

Noel Young Wines, ‟Taylor's 1964 Very Old Single Harvest Port”, £150. Is this really Taylor?

[Glenn E.]

Noel Young Wines, ‟Taylor's 1964 Very Old Single Harvest Port”, £150. Is this really Taylor?

It is now, technically. It comes from the stocks that they received when they purchased Krohn.

Andy confirms (4th post)

... and again.

[jdaw1]

Andy confirms (4th post)

... and again.

As I read it, Andy confirmed that this is Taylor, but also confirmed that this isn’t really Taylor.

[Glenn E.]

Andy confirms (4th post)

... and again.

As I read it, Andy confirmed that this is Taylor, but also confirmed that this isn’t really Taylor.

My reading:

1. It's now being released as a Taylor product.
2. Had the Port in question been released last year at this time, it would have been released by Wiese & Krohn as a 1964 Krohn Colheita.

Is there a different question regarding the Noel Young Wines offer?

[Andy Velebil]

Andy confirms (4th post)

... and again.

As I read it, Andy confirmed that this is Taylor, but also confirmed that this isn’t really Taylor.

Stop reading it wrong. This is from the Krohn's stock, which TFP acquired when they bought Krohn's the company.

It was Krohn's and now has been bought, bottled, and labeled as Taylor's.

[jdaw1]

As I read it, Andy confirmed that this is Taylor, but also confirmed that this isn’t really Taylor.

It was Krohn's and now has been bought, bottled, and labeled as Taylor's.

We agree.

Stop reading it wrong.

I wasn’t reading it wrongly.

[Andy Velebil]

As I read it, Andy confirmed that this is Taylor, but also confirmed that this isn’t really Taylor.

It was Krohn's and now has been bought, bottled, and labeled as Taylor's.

We agree.

My comment was such as replies such as yours create confusion for those not knowledgeable about what has recently transpired between two companies and the legalitites of the IVDP. As it implies it's not a Taylor's product. That is now not the case.

These are now, legally and technically, really Taylor's. As you are aware one can buy finished Port and legally make it their own once the transfer paperwork is completed with the IVDP.

[jdaw1]

We are pleased to be able to offer: March arrival.

24 bottles Taylors Very old Single Harvest Port 1964

Single Harvest ports are blended wines from a single year which are aged in oak casks. They are fully mature and ready to drink when bottled. The long period of wood ageing gives them their characteristic amber colour, smooth velvety palate, warm, mellow flavours and nose full of rich complex aromas. It has an immensely long finish with rich, spicy, black pepper flavours which linger on the palate.

£145.00 per bottle inc vat in individual wooden boxes.

These are now, legally and technically, really Taylor's.

I still think that this isn’t really really Taylor.

[Miguel Simoes]

I still think that this isn’t really really Taylor.

lololololol

[Andy Velebil]

We are pleased to be able to offer: March arrival.

24 bottles Taylors Very old Single Harvest Port 1964

Single Harvest ports are blended wines from a single year which are aged in oak casks. They are fully mature and ready to drink when bottled. The long period of wood ageing gives them their characteristic amber colour, smooth velvety palate, warm, mellow flavours and nose full of rich complex aromas. It has an immensely long finish with rich, spicy, black pepper flavours which linger on the palate.

£145.00 per bottle inc vat in individual wooden boxes.

These are now, legally and technically, really Taylor's.

I still think that this isn’t really really Taylor.

Are you really really really sure?

[djewesbury]

I am not really really sure I really really really care any more................
Is it port?
Yes.
Is it good port?
Presumably.
How excellent. If I like the price, I might buy some.

[Andy Velebil]

I am not really really sure I really really really care any more................
Is it port?
Yes.
Is it good port?
Presumably.
How excellent. If I like the price, I might buy some.

[jdaw1]

Is it good port?

A really^ℵ₁ good question.

[PhilW]

Is it good port?

A really^ℵ₁ good question.

Also, would it be more highly rated by people tasting it sighted if it said Taylor's or Krohn on the bottle?

[Andy Velebil]

Also, would it be more highly rated by people tasting it sighted if it said Taylors or Krohn on the bottle?

You really had to go there....

[djewesbury]

Is it good port?

A really^ℵ₁ good question.

^ℵ₁ is the second-smallest infinite cardinal number

In the song "I'm New Here", written by Bill Callahan and recorded by Gil Scott-Heron on the album of the same name that he released shortly before he died, we find these words:

Met a woman in a bar
Told her I was hard to get to know
And near impossible to forget
She said I had an ego on me
The size of Texas
Well I'm new here and I forget
Does that mean big, or small?

Quite.

[PhilW]

Also, would it be more highly rated by people tasting it sighted if it said Taylor's or Krohn on the bottle?

You really had to go there....

I have no problem with Taylor's having purchased Krohn, and if they choose to sell it branded as Taylor's then that is understandable, never mind completely their right (and clearly the way they have decided to go). I imagine that will work better in parts of the world where the Krohn brand is far less well known, including the UK.

What surprised me is that they didn't go for something more like "Taylor's 50 Year Krohn Tawny (1964)"; the "Krohn" would have been ignored by people who didn't know what it meant, but potentially added value/cachet to those who might by it specifically based on their knowledge of the quality of Krohn's tawnies.

I'm also surprised that they seem to have completely dropped the word "tawny" in the title. Admittedly Single Harvest Tawny doesn't give the best abbreviation, but "single harvest port"? So now we have the more complex - if it says "vintage port" then it is a ruby port from a single harvest, and "single harvest port" means a tawny from a single harvest; not the best way to clarify for the less-savvy (yes they can read the full label, but I think you get the point).

[Andy Velebil]

Phil,
Agree on the naming. There are basically two companies which refuse to put "Colheita" on some of their bottles*. The whole "Single harvest tawny" thing drives me nuts. This isn't the 1600's anymore. I'm quite confident UK residents can figure out what Colheita means, just like the rest of the world has been using for a long time.


*Interesting in that the Symington's do use the term Colheita for some brands, such as Warre's**. Talk about a lack of uniformity

** though a recent check shows Warre's new label has in very small letters under Colheita the words "Single year tawny"