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Epoca, in Brooklyn
Posted: 23:56 Mon 08 Oct 2007
by jdaw1
Epoca, in Brooklyn, was selling glasses of “Porto, Quinta de Monte Redondo† (presumably
this) for $5, and Porto, El Huique (
Spanish?), for $7.
Jean Georges, in the Trump International Hotel & Tower
Posted: 19:30 Sat 13 Oct 2007
by jdaw1
Jean Georges, in the
Trump International Hotel & Tower:
1950 Cockburn $900
1912 Croft $2000
1996 Bomfim $96
1963 Fonseca $950
1908 Gilbey $1200
1966 Graham $600
1963 Graham $1000
1955 Graham $1500
1987 Nacional $800
1975 Nacional $1050
1985 Taylor $256
1970 Taylor $600
1955 Taylor $1500
1948 Taylor $2200
1945 Taylor $2900
1935 Taylor $2700
1927 Taylor $3500
1922 Warre $1600
1927 Warre $1600
Also, if you’re treating me:
1921 d’Yquem $25k
1871 d’Yquem $20k
Posted: 19:49 Sat 13 Oct 2007
by DRT
It will be difficult to
trump that list
Sorry, couldn't resist it
Derek
Re: Jean Georges, in the Trump International Hotel & Tow
Posted: 23:55 Sat 13 Oct 2007
by Alex Bridgeman
jdaw1 wrote:Jean Georges, in the
Trump International Hotel & Tower:
1950 Cockburn $900
1912 Croft $2000
1996 Bomfim $96
1963 Fonseca $950
1908 Gilbey $1200
1966 Graham $600
1963 Graham $1000
1955 Graham $1500
1987 Nacional $800
1975 Nacional $1050
1985 Taylor $256
1970 Taylor $600
1955 Taylor $1500
1948 Taylor $2200
1945 Taylor $2900
1935 Taylor $2700
1927 Taylor $3500
1922 Warre $1600
1927 Warre $1600
Also, if you’re treating me:
1921 d’Yquem $25k
1871 d’Yquem $20k
I take it that these were the bottle prices rather than being served by the glass!
Great list, if frighteningly expensive.
Alex
Re: Jean Georges, in the Trump International Hotel & Tow
Posted: 00:06 Sun 14 Oct 2007
by jdaw1
AHB wrote:I take it that these were the bottle prices rather than being served by the glass!
Yes, I believe so.
AHB wrote:Great list, if frighteningly expensive.
Exactly what I thought as I decided, upon considered reflection, not to order a bottle of port. And I did tell the (very nice) sommelier that the port list was excellent and “fully valued†. He didn’t disagree.
Also some puzzling relative value. Surely Warre 1927 is better than Warre 1920? Surely Taylor 1970 is better than Nacional 1987? Is Taylor 1948 that much worse than Taylor 1927?
Posted: 23:27 Tue 30 Oct 2007
by DRT
It's not a hotel or a bar but I have to put a word in here for Oddbins at Westminster.
Whilst picking up my Noval 2000 LBV I noticed a glass case in the corner of the shop containing some good stuff. The surprise that I found when I moved in for a look was the Graham's 1991 at £55 per bottle
- I bought a case of these 2 years ago for £19 each including tax and delivery. Low price on Wine Searcher is £32 so auction price must be no more than half the Oddbins shelf price.
The good news is that this ridiculous pricing stops people from drinking the stuff so there is more floating around for us
Derek
Hilton Universal City, Los Angeles
Posted: 16:17 Wed 31 Oct 2007
by Alex Bridgeman
I had a look at the Room Service menu last night when I checked into my latest hotel. The good news is that they actually have port available on their room service menu.
They offer Fonseca Bin 27 by the bottle for the bargain price of $65 (£32.20).
I didn't have any - don't want to ruin my tastebuds for tonight!
Alex
Posted: 21:30 Thu 01 Nov 2007
by DRT
Tonight I made a brave decision and decided to order a main course and desert instead of a starter and main course. I am so glad I did.
After my medium rare rib-eye steak I ordered "cheese" - a very posh trolley arrived with 7 cheeses from which I could choose whatever I wanted. For some reason I glanced down to the lower level of the trolley and noticed a ships decanter full of purple liquid. Splendid.
"What is that?" I asked my easern European waiter. "Eet iz Grahhamz Veeentij Pourt neinte neinte vive" I was told - "Malvedos 95" registered in my head. "Could I have some in a large glass, please?" I asked. I was then presented with a 250ml glass of port - result
- very nice
I can't believe I have stayed in this hotel about 40 times in the past 3 months and have never met this guy. He is my new best friend
Posted: 22:27 Thu 01 Nov 2007
by Conky
Alex jetting all over America, Derek staying in London Hotels...
Oh well, suppose I'll have to make do with the real fire, feet up, home cooking, Cohiba, Warres LBV and a good book.
Must try the Jetset lifestyle, one day...
Alan
Posted: 22:32 Thu 01 Nov 2007
by DRT
Don't.
Posted: 14:58 Fri 02 Nov 2007
by Alex Bridgeman
Unless someone can find me some port-buddies in Asia, the next couple of weeks will be a lot less fun than this week has been.
Continuing the thread on pricing
Posted: 21:48 Sat 23 Feb 2008
by Overtired and emotional
Taking as my text for the day, that the labourer is worthy of his hire (St Mark, I think), hence everyone has to be able to make a profit. Why, and this question is not rhetorical, must one pay such a whacking premium when eating out?
It is notorious that one can drink local wine in France, to name, but one, at a modest premium. So why do the rules differ? A gross margin of, say, 50% is understandable, I guess, but why more? Is it not better to keep the stock moving?
Posted: 23:49 Sat 23 Feb 2008
by Alex Bridgeman
I had the good fortune to be taken out for a meal in Madison, New Jersey a couple of weeks ago. Madison is a dry town, no liquor licenses made available to the restauranteurs. The upside of this is that you are free to have wine with your meal, just not to buy it from the restaurant.
Interestingly, the food prices were similar to the prices in those nearby restaurants where wine was available and they clearly make enough profit as they have been going for a good many years.
Alex
Re: Continuing the thread on pricing
Posted: 02:43 Sun 24 Feb 2008
by jdaw1
What happens when the TPF pedant meets the TPF vicar?
Overtired and emotional wrote:Taking as my text for the day, that the labourer is worthy of his hire (St Mark, I think)
Luke 10:7, actually.
Posted: 23:14 Fri 29 Feb 2008
by DRT
Not a hotel, restaurant or bar but I thought this would amuse some of you here.
I visited a wine merchant in Edinburgh today to see what ports they had in stock. They had 4 different bottles on the shelf...
Taylor's Finest Ruby
Taylor's Finest Tawny
Taylor's Chip Dry White
Fonseca Unfiltered LBV 2000
As you might guess I was attracted to the Fonseca as I haven't seen their LBV for sale in the UK previously. At £12.95 a bottle I thought it was reasonable value, especially compared to the £9.95 price tag on the basic Taylor's Ruby and the Tawny
However, I did feel the need to point out to the store manager that, at £24.95, the Chip Dry was just slightly over-priced
I will report on the Fonseca another day.
Derek
Posted: 01:28 Wed 05 Mar 2008
by DRT
Posted: 08:32 Sat 24 May 2008
by RonnieRoots
At £18.50 per glass, I was tempted to order a glass of Warre's 1977 Vintage Port in the Vintage Wine Bar in Dubai last weekend. Not cheap of course, but not overly expensive for Middle Eastern standards either. But I was clever enough to ask how long the bottle has been open.
"Oh, only about a month sir."
We ordered a lovely bottle of Crozes-Hermitage instead.
Posted: 20:37 Sat 24 May 2008
by Conky
RonnieRoots wrote:At £18.50 per glass, I was tempted to order a glass of Warre's 1977 Vintage Port in the Vintage Wine Bar in Dubai last weekend. Not cheap of course, but not overly expensive for Middle Eastern standards either. But I was clever enough to ask how long the bottle has been open.
"Oh, only about a month sir."
We ordered a lovely bottle of Crozes-Hermitage instead.
I know what you mean, but I think I'd have still been tempted.
I might have even tried it on and explained how it was past it's best, but as the location has such high standards, and as it's one of my favourites, in pristine condition, do they want to do a deal!
Posted: 23:53 Thu 29 May 2008
by DRT
Quilon Indian restaurant in Buckingham Gate, London have Otima 20 yr old on the menu at £26 a bottle. Not bad considering 2 starters and 2 curries cost £108
Worth a visit if you are on expenses
Derek
Posted: 23:55 Thu 29 May 2008
by KillerB
Derek T. wrote:Quilon Indian restaurant in Buckingham Gate, London have Otima 20 yr old on the menu at £26 a bottle. Not bad considering 2 starters and 2 curries cost £108
Worth a visit if you are on expenses
Derek
Worth turning up and having it with poppadums
Posted: 23:58 Thu 29 May 2008
by DRT
KillerB wrote:Derek T. wrote:Quilon Indian restaurant in Buckingham Gate, London have Otima 20 yr old on the menu at £26 a bottle. Not bad considering 2 starters and 2 curries cost £108
Worth a visit if you are on expenses
Derek
Worth turning up and having it with poppadums
...only if you want to spend £5 on one poppadum and another £5 on each of the accompanyments
Posted: 01:00 Fri 30 May 2008
by Andy Velebil
Posted: 02:28 Fri 30 May 2008
by DRT
What happens on tour stays on tour
Derek
PS: You are going to tell me in October, aren't you?
Posted: 06:42 Fri 30 May 2008
by benread
Derek T. wrote:Not a hotel, restaurant or bar but I thought this would amuse some of you here.
I visited a wine merchant in Edinburgh today to see what ports they had in stock. They had 4 different bottles on the shelf...
Taylor's Finest Ruby
Taylor's Finest Tawny
Taylor's Chip Dry White
Fonseca Unfiltered LBV 2000
As you might guess I was attracted to the Fonseca as I haven't seen their LBV for sale in the UK previously. At £12.95 a bottle I thought it was reasonable value, especially compared to the £9.95 price tag on the basic Taylor's Ruby and the Tawny
However, I did feel the need to point out to the store manager that, at £24.95, the Chip Dry was just slightly over-priced
I will report on the Fonseca another day.
Derek
I now have a vested interest. Have you tried this yet? (20th June refers!)
Posted: 07:07 Fri 30 May 2008
by Andy Velebil
Derek T. wrote:
What happens on tour stays on tour
Derek
PS: You are going to tell me in October, aren't you?
Well it didn't happen on the tour, it was here in my home state...and yes I will tell you later over a bottle or three of Port