2005 Declarations

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uncle tom
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2005 Declarations

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The following information was gleaned from the infoportwine site and added to from other sources
  • Andresen (bronze medal in 2008 DWWA Awards)
  • Borges (silver medal in 2008 DWWA Awards)
  • Churchill Gricha
  • Conceito
  • Gran Cruz (seen for sale at the Oporto duty free shop in October 2020)
  • Hooper
  • Krohn
  • Krohn Retiro Novo
  • Messias
  • Niepoort
  • Pintas
  • Pocas
  • Pocas Director's Choice (silver medal in 2008 DWWA Awards)
  • Quevedo
  • Quinta da Romaneira
  • Quinta de la Rosa (7,000 bottles)
  • Quinta do Bucheiro
  • Quinta do Crasto (silver medal in 2008 DWWA Awards)
  • Quinta do Noval Silval
  • Quinta do Passadouro
  • Quinta do Ventozelo
  • Quinta Nova de Nossa Senhora do Carmo
  • Quinta Vale Dona Maria
  • Ramos Pinto Quinta da Ervamoira (commended in 2008 DWWA Awards)
  • Real Companhia Velha
  • Real Companhia Velha Quinta das Carvalhas
  • Rozes (bronze medal in 2008 DWWA Awards)
Sogevinus
  • Barros
  • Burmester (bronze medal in 2008 DWWA Awards)
  • Kopke
Symington Family Estates
  • Dow Quinta da Senhora da Ribeira
  • Dow Quinta do Bomfim (added 28-Jun-2016 when seen for sale at Duty Free in Oporto airport)
  • Graham dos Malvedos (added 20-Jun-2017 when drunk at the Graham Lodge in Oporto)
  • Quinta de Roriz
  • Quinta do Vesuvio
The Fladgate Partnership
  • Croft Quinta da Roeda
  • Fonseca Guimaraens
  • Fonseca Quinta de Panascal
  • Taylor Quinta da Terra Feita
  • Taylor Quinta de Vargellas
Vallegre
  • Quinta de Valle Longo (bronze medal in 2008 DWWA Awards)
  • Vista Alegre (added 27-Sep-2016 when seen on the wine list of the LBV House Hotel)
At the time of the initial post, Tom wrote: No sign of Noval (yet) or some of the 'chateau' players like Rosa & Vale Meao. The Symington camp is also looking lean, with no sign of Bomfim, Malvedos or Cavadinha.

Still time for a few more to appear though..!

Tom

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Re: 2005 Declarations

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uncle tom wrote:- Taylor Terra Feita
- Taylor Vargellas
This pair will be appearing in my verticals, starting in about twenty years. An interesting comparison.
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Taylor have declared Terra Feita and Vargellas for the same year before - I have both from 1996 - we only need to wait another ten years to compare them!

Tom
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Post by RonnieRoots »

I have both from 1995 as well.

The Symington's have made Bomfim, Malvedos and Cavadinha as well, but are keeping them for late release. I kind of like that principle. It provides ports that are entering their drinking window for the market at a reasonable price.

I believe Vale Meao did make a 2005 VP, but I haven't tasted nor seen it, so I'm not sure. I saw on the FTLOP board that Noval will release a Silval bottling.
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I find this very strange.

Many of the shippers have made noises about low yields in 2006 as a result of the hail damage so I would have thought everyone would have popped out a 2005 SQVP just in case 2006 turns out to be as bad (in volume terms) as some were predicting.

Derek
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Post by RonnieRoots »

2006 is not only disappointing in volume, but also in quality. I've not heard of one producer that was happy with the quality (of port, wine is another story). And barrel samples that I tasted were much leaner than supposed to. That makes it even more strange that not everyone makes a '05. Maybe the quantities were too low for some? Or too many shrivelled grapes?
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Any minute now we can expect Tom to resurect his "7" theory :lol:

Derek

PS: Given the performance of 05 and 06 it looks like the theory will turn into reality :wink:
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It does now look likely that '07 will only have to be an average year to get a general declaration, which raises the risk of a weak vintage being declared.

That said, there is a big question mark over the ability of the western economies to avoid a major downturn before declaration time in '09.

It is not hard to envisage an underweight vintage being launched at overweight prices in the spring of '09, only to be followed by a market crash that autumn...

On the other hand, if the markets crash first, even a sterling vintage might fail to get declared..

We shall see!

Tom
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financial markets consistent with a soft landing

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Pricing in financial markets is consistent with a high probability of nothing worse than a soft landing. The trouble at mill is only in the over-leveraged parts of the credit market. If you care about details, well, ask. But it would be better not to.

Edit: this side-issue continued in 2005 Declarations backlash.
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Around 8 new shippers added to the list on the first post
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I wrote ( - way back in July '07..)
It does now look likely that '07 will only have to be an average year to get a general declaration, which raises the risk of a weak vintage being declared.

That said, there is a big question mark over the ability of the western economies to avoid a major downturn before declaration time in '09.
Bit prophetic - No?
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Perhaps you should change your user name to Nostra-Thomas? :lol:
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uncle tom wrote:I wrote ( - way back in July '07..)
It does now look likely that '07 will only have to be an average year to get a general declaration, which raises the risk of a weak vintage being declared.

That said, there is a big question mark over the ability of the western economies to avoid a major downturn before declaration time in '09.
Bit prophetic - No?
About the economics, yes.
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DRT wrote:Perhaps you should change your user name to Nostra-Thomas? :lol:
Where's that ban icon at :roll:
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Bomfim and Real Companhia Velha added to the list on the first post after having spotted them at Oporto airport earlier this week
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.

2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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Vista Alegre just added to the list.
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.

2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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Also Quinta do Bucheiro 2005 VP, noted on St. John's college wine list 2013/14
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PhilW wrote: 17:39 Sat 16 Sep 2017 Also Quinta do Bucheiro 2005 VP, noted on St. John's college wine list 2013/14
Thank you - list updated.
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A few more 2005 VP and SQVP:
Conceito
Messias
Krohn
Poças
Ramos Pinto Quinta da Ervamoira
Real Companhia Velha Quinta das Carvalhas
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Ups... Ervamoira from Ramos Pinto was already mentioned ("2005 Declarations" above).
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jmrc wrote: 16:52 Mon 23 Oct 2017 A few more 2005 VP and SQVP:
Conceito
Messias
Krohn
Poças
Ramos Pinto Quinta da Ervamoira
Real Companhia Velha Quinta das Carvalhas
Thanks for the additions. Please could you say how you know these ports were released from this vintage? Could you also confirm that the Krohn you've stated is the full blend and not the Retiro Novo that is already on the list?
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2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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I bought these wines at Portuguese wine stores in the last 3 years (they rest in my small wine cellar).
This year Khron made VP and SQVP (and, also, LBV and Colheita) - see Wiese & Krohn old website - http://www.krohn.pt/en/?/datedports#vintage - before this centenary company was acquired by Fladgate.
Conceito Vintage was made (winemaker Rita Marques) with grapes from Quinta do Cabido.
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