Crusted port database
Re: Crusted port database
Auction, Christie, Manson & Woods, 6 December 1977.
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24339.)
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24339.)
- Alex Bridgeman
- Graham’s 1948
- Posts: 14936
- Joined: 13:41 Mon 25 Jun 2007
- Location: Berkshire, UK
Re: Crusted port database
Mmmm. Cockburn Crusted bottled 1968 - otherwise known as the 1966 vintage that was never declared.jdaw1 wrote:Auction, Christie, Manson & Woods, 12 February 1976.
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #23927.)
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
Re: Crusted port database
Is that consistent with pricing cheaper than that of Taylor crusted bottled 1963.AHB wrote:Mmmm. Cockburn Crusted bottled 1968 - otherwise known as the 1966 vintage that was never declared.
Re: Crusted port database
The only example we know of that could help prove this theory is the Cockburn Crusted 1977. That was undeclared 1977 VP bottled (and corked) as Cockburn Crusted 1977. If that was a continuation of a common practice then the Cockburn Crusted 1968 would be unreleased VP from 1968, not 1966. If it were unreleased VP from 1966 it would be Cockburn Crusted 1966.jdaw1 wrote:Is that consistent with pricing cheaper than that of Taylor crusted bottled 1963.AHB wrote:Mmmm. Cockburn Crusted bottled 1968 - otherwise known as the 1966 vintage that was never declared.
I think it is just ordinary crusted port, bottled in 1968, probably from a mixture of vintages from the two or three preceding years.
As for the price difference, that is easily explained by the fact that the Taylor has more bottle age and by the fact that in this time period Taylor outranked Cockburn in the pricing stakes.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: Crusted port database
Agreed. And the price difference suggests that the general consensus at the time was that the Cockburn was indeed a crusted.DRT wrote:As for the price difference, that is easily explained by the fact that the Taylor has more bottle age and by the fact that in this time period Taylor outranked Cockburn in the pricing stakes.
Re: Crusted port database
Auction, Christie’s, 14 February 1978.
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24508.)
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24508.)
Re: Crusted port database
Auction, Christie’s, 30 March 1978.
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24516.)
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24516.)
-
- Quinta do Vesuvio 1994
- Posts: 3035
- Joined: 22:16 Mon 25 Jun 2007
- Location: Los Angeles, Ca USA
- Contact:
Re: Crusted port database
Being my birth year, If anyone comes across any of these let me know or buy them. Port from this year is quite hard to come by, though not necessarily great.jdaw1 wrote:Auction, Christie’s, 30 March 1978.
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24516.)
Re: Crusted port database
Does the 1973 here refer to bottling date or the vintage of wine? I had assumed bottling date in this context, but hey may have done things differently then. What was the Martinez 73 crusted that we had recently?Andy Velebil wrote:Being my birth year, If anyone comes across any of these let me know or buy them. Port from this year is quite hard to come by, though not necessarily great.jdaw1 wrote:Auction, Christie’s, 30 March 1978.
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24516.)
Rob C.
Re: Crusted port database
Crusted is typically a blend of vintages, so the date is that of bottling. Of course there might be exceptions, but this is the default.RAYC wrote:Does the 1973 here refer to bottling date or the vintage of wine? I had assumed bottling date in this context, but hey may have done things differently then. What was the Martinez 73 crusted that we had recently?
-
- Dalva Golden White Colheita 1952
- Posts: 3536
- Joined: 14:22 Wed 15 Dec 2010
- Location: Near Cambridge, UK
Re: Crusted port database
It was bottled 1973 (link to label image in the VPID).RAYC wrote:Does the 1973 here refer to bottling date or the vintage of wine? I had assumed bottling date in this context, but hey may have done things differently then. What was the Martinez 73 crusted that we had recently?
Re: Crusted port database
Yes - it was just that that particular listing, in contrast to some of the other auction listings, did not specify that this was the bottling date (and Andy's subsequent reference to "Port of this year" gave me pause for thought given what Cockburn did in 1977 and, perhaps more directly comparable, what Graham did with Malvedos pre-Symington ownership).jdaw1 wrote: Of course there might be exceptions, but this is the default.
Rob C.
Re: Crusted port database
Auction, Christie’s, 29 June 1978.
Sold at £35 per dozen.
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24566.)
Sold at £35 per dozen.
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24566.)
Re: Crusted port database
Auction, Christie’s, 14 August 1979.
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24633.)
(Reproduced by kind permission of Christie’s; my picture #24633.)
- uncle tom
- Dalva Golden White Colheita 1952
- Posts: 3532
- Joined: 23:43 Wed 20 Jun 2007
- Location: Near Saffron Walden, England
Re: Crusted port database
If this is the undeclared Cockburn '77 VP? Are the Symingtons now selling it as Crusted?Cockburn Crusted 1977
Technically, if its being sold as Crusted, it should be sold as the '79 - when it was bottled.
Either way, I'll put it on the list if it's being marketed..
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly - W.S. Churchill
Re: Crusted port database
That was cited by DRT as an example of a liked Cockburn Crusted, rather than anything being marketed.
Re: Crusted port database
As far as I am aware the Ck77 has never been sold by the producer. Some have been given away and a few of those might have reached the secondary market. The "Crusted" status is pretty meaningless in this instance as it is an unapproved VP that was bottled for consumption by the Cockburn Directors and their guests. It is my understanding that the Symngtons are holding to that long-established tradition.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: Crusted port database
Wine & Food No. 127, Autumn 1965, page 86, records “A 1955 Claret Dinner” held by the Westwood branch of the Wine & Food Society on 7 April of that year. One of the wines was “Cockburn Crusted, btld. 1938, Avery”.
Re: Crusted port database
Now reclassified as Vintage Port and sold on the open market so should be removed from this database if it was added.DRT wrote:As far as I am aware the Ck77 has never been sold by the producer. Some have been given away and a few of those might have reached the secondary market. The "Crusted" status is pretty meaningless in this instance as it is an unapproved VP that was bottled for consumption by the Cockburn Directors and their guests. It is my understanding that the Symngtons are holding to that long-established tradition.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
-
- Quinta do Vesuvio 1994
- Posts: 3035
- Joined: 22:16 Mon 25 Jun 2007
- Location: Los Angeles, Ca USA
- Contact:
Re: Crusted port database
Hmm, but it was originally approved and consumed (and given away) as a crusted. Only later did it become a VP. I'd suggest leaving it for the record with an "*" indicating its later re-written history.DRT wrote:Now reclassified as Vintage Port and sold on the open market so should be removed from this database if it was added.DRT wrote:As far as I am aware the Ck77 has never been sold by the producer. Some have been given away and a few of those might have reached the secondary market. The "Crusted" status is pretty meaningless in this instance as it is an unapproved VP that was bottled for consumption by the Cockburn Directors and their guests. It is my understanding that the Symngtons are holding to that long-established tradition.
And one pedantic addition, it was registered as a Crusted to hide it on the books from the parent company as they were instructed not to make a 1977 VP. Quite cleaver of them I must say.
Re: Crusted port database
I don't see these in the database or posts I have read:
Churchill's Crusted 2005
Nieeport Crusted 2005
Churchill's Crusted 2005
Nieeport Crusted 2005
Re: Crusted port database
My mistake in Niepoort date (not 2005, but 2011, 2012 and 2014). There is also Quevedo Crusted Port (no bottling date see in the label).
Re: Crusted port database
Quevedo Crusted is bottled in 2012 - http://quevedoportwine.com/wp-content/u ... hSheet.pdf
Re: Crusted port database
“Taylor Crusted, Bottled 1974” also present in the Autumn 1982 catalogue of Edward Sheldon, at £6.38 per bottle, or “case rate” of £6.06, or “6 case rate” of £5.76 (excl. VAT, which was then 15%).
-
- Fonseca 1980
- Posts: 1945
- Joined: 15:35 Mon 13 May 2019
Re: Crusted port database
The two in my cellar are the WS Crusted bot 2013 and the Waitrose Crusted bot 2015. Less exalted although the first is great port.