Which will cloud the palate.Chris Doty wrote:For 30 glasses of port...I'm gonna need a lot of chocolate and cheese.
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
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...and it's only 28 bottles, not 30, which may have been considered exessive.jdaw1 wrote:Which will cloud the palate.Chris Doty wrote:For 30 glasses of port...I'm gonna need a lot of chocolate and cheese.
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
New page, but question shouldn’t be lost.jdaw1 wrote:Should I swap the two sessions so making the first session longer or have a new break, and if so, where? (Don’t forget that we now have ’92 and ’95 as well.)
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
I have no strong views either way. Anyone else?jdaw1 wrote:New page, but question shouldn’t be lost.jdaw1 wrote:Should I swap the two sessions so making the first session longer or have a new break, and if so, where? (Don’t forget that we now have ’92 and ’95 as well.)
Also, is anyone willing to undertake printing the placemats? I’m slightly concerned that I won’t have a chance to monopolise a photocopier for the several hours it might take to parse the PDFs...
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
The whole file is less than a megabyte, and should render quickly.JacobH wrote:Also, is anyone willing to undertake printing the placemats? I’m slightly concerned that I won’t have a chance to monopolise a photocopier for the several hours it might take to parse the PDFs...
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
DRT has suggested some extra pages to assist pre-pouring. Will the printed pages arrive at the tasting sufficiently early for these to be of use?
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
I'd suggest breaking at 1982 and younger for earlier session, then the older stuff after session. That way we do 80's/90's/00's together and then later 50's/60's/70's together.jdaw1 wrote:New page, but question shouldn’t be lost.jdaw1 wrote:Should I swap the two sessions so making the first session longer or have a new break, and if so, where? (Don’t forget that we now have ’92 and ’95 as well.)
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Nearly ready: please don’t print yet.jdaw1 wrote:DRT has suggested some extra pages to assist pre-pouring.
Will be implemented when first matter working.Andy Velebil wrote:I'd suggest breaking at 1982 and younger for earlier session, then the older stuff after session. That way we do 80's/90's/00's together and then later 50's/60's/70's together.jdaw1 wrote:New page, but question shouldn’t be lost.jdaw1 wrote:Should I swap the two sessions so making the first session longer or have a new break, and if so, where? (Don’t forget that we now have ’92 and ’95 as well.)
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Updated current draft of the placemats, now at 193 sheets and 1,271,248 bytes:
- Now added ‘Pre-Pour’ sheets: put on each tray, and then fourteen glasses on that;
- Sessions re-ordered, as ADV requested. Note that this makes the first session longer than the second: please confirm satisfactory.
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Sorry, I disagree on having the older ports after dinner. Palate fatigue is a certainty at this event and I would rather be tasting young wines when that happens than 50 year old gems that I may never taste again.
I also think the pre-dinner flight needs to be the shorter of the two as it is time constrained.
I think the split is fine, but I think the order needs to be reversed.
I also think the pre-dinner flight needs to be the shorter of the two as it is time constrained.
I think the split is fine, but I think the order needs to be reversed.
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
I fully agree with Derek!!! We should taste the old ones first!!!! If not I will if required bring my own glasses and wait until they are ready and start the tasting later.
Sorry for being pedantic!
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Sorry for being pedantic!
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Food between will refresh the palate so no worries there. I'd rathe be able to drink and enjoy the old ones after than have to spit them out earlier. It worked out well for the massive cockburns tasting and others this size I've done.
But I'll go with what the group decides. But I ask do you want to drink the young ones or the old ones? As there is no way anyone can drink them all or half and still have a good understanding and appreciation of them.
Just my $0.02
But I'll go with what the group decides. But I ask do you want to drink the young ones or the old ones? As there is no way anyone can drink them all or half and still have a good understanding and appreciation of them.
Just my $0.02
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Britain plus Germany versus America: that’s a new combination, so I don’t know who wins. More votes would help.
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Andy,
There should be enough glasses available so that we do not have to throw the old ones away. At the Vesuvio tasting we kept the first flight on the table and then added the seond flight so that everyone had the full line-up in front of them. I think we could do the same with this tasting
Derek
There should be enough glasses available so that we do not have to throw the old ones away. At the Vesuvio tasting we kept the first flight on the table and then added the seond flight so that everyone had the full line-up in front of them. I think we could do the same with this tasting
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
If we have enough glasses then I don't mind doing old first so I can save some to drink later
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Agreed. It would be good to know what the others who will be attending the tasting would prefer to do.jdaw1 wrote:More votes would help.
Another option would be to break with tradition and put all of the wines on the table at the beginning and leave each individual to decide what they want to taste first?
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Are there enough glasses? Is there enough table space? Is there enough table space for the glasses and for the mid-drinking dinner?DRT wrote:Another option would be to break with tradition and put all of the wines on the table at the beginning and leave each individual to decide what they want to taste first?
My view that the natural division between sessions is ≤1979 and ≥1982. In which case the session of older ports is fairly small: less than a bottle each. You should be able to finish that, or nearly so, without significant inebriation, and certainly what little inebriation there is would be cleared by dinner. All of which points to having the older ports first.
Updated current draft of the placemats, now at 193 sheets and 1,271,182 bytes:
- JDAW’s preferred ordering, being older first.
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
The number of glasses is being checked, but the RAF Club coped with the 35 bottle 1970 tasting so this should be possible.jdaw1 wrote:Are there enough glasses?
I think there will be.jdaw1 wrote:Is there enough table space?
It's the RAF Club, so dinner will be in another room.jdaw1 wrote:Is there enough table space for the glasses and for the mid-drinking dinner?
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
When typing this, did you factor in that Andy is American?jdaw1 wrote:less than a bottle each. You should be able to finish that, or nearly so, without significant inebriation
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
So you’re proposing that people drink some, they choose which, leave glasses there and wonder off for dinner, then come back not necessarily all simultaneously and resume. If there really are enough clean glasses, that could work.DRT wrote:It's the RAF Club, so dinner will be in another room.jdaw1 wrote:Is there enough table space for the glasses and for the mid-drinking dinner?
Twelve bottles, fourteen people: even if Andy is a zero, it’s less than a bottle each.DRT wrote:When typing this, did you factor in that Andy is American?jdaw1 wrote:less than a bottle each. You should be able to finish that, or nearly so, without significant inebriation
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Julian, Derek
thanks for all the effort. Placemates look great! Please let me know if additional glasses are required. I am very happy, it looks like that we can start with the old Ports first.
On the other hand if there is a majority verdict to start with the young Ports i also do not mind waiting for the old ports.
Please let me know
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WS1
thanks for all the effort. Placemates look great! Please let me know if additional glasses are required. I am very happy, it looks like that we can start with the old Ports first.
On the other hand if there is a majority verdict to start with the young Ports i also do not mind waiting for the old ports.
Please let me know
regards
WS1
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Updated current draft of the placemats, now at 208 sheets and 1,282,761 bytes:
- Re-paginated so that each non-pedants’ decade is on a single glasses sheet;
- Sessions have matching radii, in case sheets carried over from one to other.
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
I have no horse in the race, but believe Derek's way is right on. I also prefer older ones first but rarely see it done that way, as often time people like to end with the great oldies. But, I think the tannins of young VPs affect how the old ones show, if done later on. With a meal in between it is not as much an issue, but I'd rather be sharpest for the oldies and make sure my notes were crisp, while the young ones are very likely to be had again another day.Sorry, I disagree on having the older ports after dinner. Palate fatigue is a certainty at this event and I would rather be tasting young wines when that happens than 50 year old gems that I may never taste again.
I wish you all a wonderful tasting, filled with perfect bottlings that all show beautifully!
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Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
The last request for glasses (made by me via Axel to the RAF Club was) 14 × 24 = 336 glasses, so am I right in thinking we need another 56?DRT wrote:The number of glasses is being checked, but the RAF Club coped with the 35 bottle 1970 tasting so this should be possible.jdaw1 wrote:Are there enough glasses?
Re: Quinta dos Malvedos: 22nd March 2010
Yes, but the decanting team will waste some so best to ask for 400JacobH wrote:The last request for glasses (made by me via Axel to the RAF Club was) 14 × 24 = 336 glasses, so am I right in thinking we need another 56?DRT wrote:The number of glasses is being checked, but the RAF Club coped with the 35 bottle 1970 tasting so this should be possible.jdaw1 wrote:Are there enough glasses?
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