Time for a TN sort?
- Alex Bridgeman
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Time for me to take a look and make sure I've posted all my recent notes!
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Congratulations to AHB: that was the twenty-thousandth post on .
Re: Time for a TN sort?
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Done. Due to diligent drinking and note-taking by members of each of the two TN indexes (alphabetical, date) has grown to four posts.
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Careful perusal has found some problems.
- Is Adams the same as Adam?
- 1995 Petre's Port vintage port? Allegedly by Niepoort, but not obviously mentioned on niepoort-vinhos.com.
I’m going to call it ‟Petre’s” with no vintner’s website, unless somebody has a better plan.
Re: Time for a TN sort?
And Vesuvio leads with 68 TNs, of which 24 are from Mr V. himself.
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Yes.jdaw1 wrote:
- Is Adams the same as Adam?
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
- RonnieRoots
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Petre's was a second label by Niepoort that they sometimes produced (mostly on request I guess) but never actively marketed. I don't think the label is used anymore, as they now have "Secundum".jdaw1 wrote:Careful perusal has found some problems.
- 1995 Petre's Port vintage port? Allegedly by Niepoort, but not obviously mentioned on niepoort-vinhos.com.I’m going to call it ‟Petre’s” with no vintner’s website, unless somebody has a better plan.
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Should they be merged? ‟Secundum (Petre’s)”?
- Alex Bridgeman
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Personally, I would not merge these ports, but keep them separate. From what I have learnt, Petre was an experiment over a handful of vintages by Dirk to see if he could make a decent but low cost house vintage port for the restaurant trade - effectively a competitor to the Buyer's Own Brands. Secundum is different. It is a Niepoort Port which carries the Niepoort name and is blended to be in the Niepoort house style, even if more approachable when young.
My vote is to keep them separate anbd to show Petre's Port as just that.
My vote is to keep them separate anbd to show Petre's Port as just that.
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
Re: Time for a TN sort?
As ‟Petre’s Port” or as ‟Niepoort (Petre’s)”? I think the latter more useful, but will defer to instruction.AHB wrote:My vote is to keep them separate anbd to show Petre's Port as just that.
- Alex Bridgeman
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
I would suggest as "Petre's Port (Niepoort)" if we want to link the two together. The reason for suggesting this is that nowhere on the label is there a reference to the fact that this port comes from the Niepoort stable. Anyone finding a bottle and wanting to look it up will be searching the internet purely on the string "Petre's Port".
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
Re: Time for a TN sort?
The sort order is separate from the name, but it looks more natural if the visual is close to the logical. Would ‟Niepoort: Petre’s Port” work perhaps with different punctuation? And you wouldn’t have to type this: just ‟Petre” would identify it to my software.
- RonnieRoots
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Secundum and Petre's are indeed two different types of port. Sorry if that wasn't clear from my previous post.
Alex' suggestion of Petre's Port (Niepoort) sounds most logical to me, but it really doesn't matter that much to me as long as the link with Niepoort is clearly shown.
Alex' suggestion of Petre's Port (Niepoort) sounds most logical to me, but it really doesn't matter that much to me as long as the link with Niepoort is clearly shown.
- Alex Bridgeman
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
I'm sure I could live with something along the lines of Niepoort - Petre's Port (or the punctuation that you believe is appropriate). I'm happy for you to try it and for us to see what it looks like in the next sort. Incidentally, there have been a lot of new tasting notes added recently - is it time for another update?
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
Re: Time for a TN sort?
I can’t do my part of the update until 26th December. Perhaps Chief Admin would do his part at the last convenient moment before Boxing Day afternoon?
Re: Time for a TN sort?
TN index re-made.
We lacks TNs from: ’93; ’81; ’73; ’69; only a colheita for ’61; ’59; ’56; ’54; ’51; ’49; ’46; ’43; ’39; ’36; ’28 to ’30, and too many earlier years. There are even whole decades where we have failed (e.g., the 1880s and 1840s).
We lacks TNs from: ’93; ’81; ’73; ’69; only a colheita for ’61; ’59; ’56; ’54; ’51; ’49; ’46; ’43; ’39; ’36; ’28 to ’30, and too many earlier years. There are even whole decades where we have failed (e.g., the 1880s and 1840s).
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I plan to open a Quinta das Licieras 1993 on 28th September 2011 so will plug that gap then, unless Tom opens his bottle firstjdaw1 wrote:We lacks TNs from: ’93...
Derek
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Your son's 18th birthday perhaps?!DRT wrote:I plan to open a Quinta das Licieras 1993 on 28th September 2011 so will plug that gap then, unless Tom opens his bottle firstjdaw1 wrote:We lacks TNs from: ’93...
Derek
Ben
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Vintage 1970 and now proud owner of my first ever 'half-century'!
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Vintage 1970 and now proud owner of my first ever 'half-century'!
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Correctbenread wrote:Your son's 18th birthday perhaps?!DRT wrote:I plan to open a Quinta das Licieras 1993 on 28th September 2011 so will plug that gap then, unless Tom opens his bottle firstjdaw1 wrote:We lacks TNs from: ’93...
Derek
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Something horrid has happened to the Smith Woodhouse vintage port entries in the Alphabetical TN Index
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Ooops. Will fix later today.
Perhaps chief admin would update my data?
Perhaps chief admin would update my data?
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Chief admin updated data, and I have updated the indexes (alphabetical, date).
- Alex Bridgeman
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
There is one port which is titled "Niepoort vintage port vintage port LBV
2004: MM on 14 Oct 2008"
2004: MM on 14 Oct 2008"
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.