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2017 Declarations

Post by AHB » 21:41 Mon 18 Mar 2019

This thread is to hold the details of the Vintage Ports from the 2017 vintage. An asterisk next to the shipper indicates that a tasting note is on TPF for the Port (with a link to the TN).

First to declare (at least the first I have heard officially declare) is Niepoort on March 18th with their official launch event in April.

2017 declared by:
Barao de Villar
  • Feuerheerd
  • Maynard*
Bulas
Fladgate Partnership Niepoort*
Pocas*
Quevedo
Quinta de la Rosa
Quinta da Romaneira (1,100 cases)*
Quinta da Sequeira
Quinta do Noval
  • Quinta do Noval (3,500 cases)*
  • Quinta do Noval Nacional (200 cases)*
Quinta do Vale Meao
Quinta do Vallado
Ramos Pinto
  • Ramos Pinto (750 cases)
  • Ramos Pinto Quinta de Ervamoira (750 cases)
Rozes
  • Rozes
  • Quinta do Grifo
Symington Family Estates
Links to other vintages:
2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005
Top Ports in 2018 (so far): Niepoort VV (1960's Bottling), Quinta do Noval Nacional 1994 and San Leonardo Very Old White (Bottled 2018)
2017 Ports of the year: Fonseca 1927 and Quinta do Noval 1927

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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by Axel P » 07:37 Tue 09 Apr 2019

2017 is going to be great (again):


https://youtu.be/gpCDjtBivwo
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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by DRT » 09:56 Tue 09 Apr 2019

The Symingtons have declared this morning: https://vintageportsite.com/campaign/20 ... t-declared
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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by CPR 1 » 10:21 Tue 09 Apr 2019

Interesting generally smaller volumes from the Symington Family but significantly more of the Stone Terraces and Capela but no Smith Woodhouse

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Post by Axel P » 11:17 Tue 09 Apr 2019

Noval as well with both, the regular Noval and the Nacional:
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Post by DRT » 12:18 Tue 09 Apr 2019

"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by AHB » 13:14 Tue 09 Apr 2019

At the Big Fortified Tasting a number of producers are showing finished blends or cask samples of 2017 Vintage Ports. These are:
Quevedo
Quinta da Sequeira
Quinta do Vallado Adelaide
Ramos Pinto
Ramos Pinto Quinta de Ervamoira
Top Ports in 2018 (so far): Niepoort VV (1960's Bottling), Quinta do Noval Nacional 1994 and San Leonardo Very Old White (Bottled 2018)
2017 Ports of the year: Fonseca 1927 and Quinta do Noval 1927

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Post by jdaw1 » 21:37 Tue 09 Apr 2019

Symington Family Estates, on YouTube, have declared 2017. A “general declaration”, no specific names mentioned in the video.
The Graham website wrote:We have produced 2017 Vintage Ports from across our flagship Douro Quintas, and will shortly be offering limited quantities (by allocation en primeur) of Graham’s, Dow’s, Warre’s and Cockburn’s as well as Quinta do Vesuvio, Graham’s The Stone Terraces and Capela da Quinta do Vesuvio. The 2017 is just the fourth release of the latter two, which are only produced in truly exceptional years. Given the very low-yielding year, the 2017 Vintage Port is the smallest Symington declaration of the 21st century.
(No Gould Campbell; no Smith Woodhouse; no Quarles Harris; no Martinez.)

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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by idj123 » 22:24 Tue 09 Apr 2019

Cripes-iit looks like my intention not to buy any new vintages may have gone out the window although the apparent demise of SW is disappointing and removes the last tier 2 Port from the SFE portfolio.

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Post by Glenn E. » 03:40 Wed 10 Apr 2019

CPR 1 wrote:Interesting generally smaller volumes from the Symington Family but significantly more of the Stone Terraces and Capela but no Smith Woodhouse
Sell 1 bottle at normal price, or sell 1 bottle at 2x to 3x normal price?

Hopefully it won't adversely affect the quality of the regular Graham and Vesuvio to have such a significantly different ratio.
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Post by DRT » 14:10 Wed 10 Apr 2019

On FTLOP Thomas V wrote:2017 The Stone terraces consist of
  • 6360 individually numbered bottles
    180 Magnums
    120 Tappit Hens
...

Full specs here
The Dow 2017 data sheet is the only other to mention format quantities, being 5,250 cases, including 240 magnums and 200 Tappit Hens.
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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by /2alph » 13:21 Thu 11 Apr 2019

Ramos Pinto declared as well

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Post by AHB » 20:41 Mon 15 Apr 2019

Just popped in a link to Ramos Pinto’s declaration announcement.
Top Ports in 2018 (so far): Niepoort VV (1960's Bottling), Quinta do Noval Nacional 1994 and San Leonardo Very Old White (Bottled 2018)
2017 Ports of the year: Fonseca 1927 and Quinta do Noval 1927

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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by AHB » 09:29 Wed 17 Apr 2019

Those of you who were at the b.f.t. yesterday, please could you post your thoughts and impressions of the 2017 Ports that were at the show. The producers who exhibited them are keen for knowledgeable Port afficiandos to create some internet presence for their wines.
Top Ports in 2018 (so far): Niepoort VV (1960's Bottling), Quinta do Noval Nacional 1994 and San Leonardo Very Old White (Bottled 2018)
2017 Ports of the year: Fonseca 1927 and Quinta do Noval 1927

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Post by akzy » 10:26 Tue 23 Apr 2019

Taylor's have declared (and Vargellas Vinha Velha) .
https://taylor.pt/en/news/taylors-annou ... velha-2017

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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by Tadhg555 » 23:08 Fri 03 May 2019

Have the frequency of vintage declarations increased over the recent decades? If so, what is the cause? Better technology and more efficient methods? Or am I suffering from recency bias?

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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by Glenn E. » 02:46 Tue 07 May 2019

General declarations in reverse order:

2017, 2016, 2011, 2007, 2003, 2000, 1997, 1994, (1991/1992), 1985, 1983, 1980, 1977, 1975, 1970, 1966, 1963, 1960...

As you can see, there have been roughly 3 general declarations per decade for at least the last 50 years. (1991/1992 was what is known as a split declaration, where roughly half of the producers declared in 1991 and the other half declared in 1992.) Prior to that general declarations were only slightly less common with the 1950s being the oddball during which only 1955 was generally declared.

That said, what has changed relatively recently is the number of producers. Producers are no longer required to maintain a lodge in Vila Nova de Gaia, so many more companies now declare and release Vintage Port on their own schedules without regard for the concept of a "general declaration." So even in a year like 2015 that wasn't officially a general declaration, there were a large number of smaller producers who declared their Vintage Port anyway.
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Post by Andy Velebil » 04:31 Tue 07 May 2019

Glenn E. wrote:
02:46 Tue 07 May 2019
General declarations in reverse order:

2017, 2016, 2011, 2007, 2003, 2000, 1997, 1994, (1991/1992), 1985, 1983, 1980, 1977, 1975, 1970, 1966, 1963, 1960...

As you can see, there have been roughly 3 general declarations per decade for at least the last 50 years. (1991/1992 was what is known as a split declaration, where roughly half of the producers declared in 1991 and the other half declared in 1992.) Prior to that general declarations were only slightly less common with the 1950s being the oddball during which only 1955 was generally declared.

That said, what has changed relatively recently is the number of producers. Producers are no longer required to maintain a lodge in Vila Nova de Gaia, so many more companies now declare and release Vintage Port on their own schedules without regard for the concept of a "general declaration." So even in a year like 2015 that wasn't officially a general declaration, there were a large number of smaller producers who declared their Vintage Port anyway.
+1
Plus the addition of lots of SQVP's in the between years from the larger companies does make it appear there are far more declarations. In reality it has been pretty consistent of about 3 times a decade with those larger companies.

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Post by DRT » 01:25 Sun 12 May 2019

Tadhg555 wrote:
23:08 Fri 03 May 2019
Have the frequency of vintage declarations increased over the recent decades? If so, what is the cause? Better technology and more efficient methods? Or am I suffering from recency bias?
What Glenn and Andy said, and don't expect a 2018 or 2019 declaration :wink:
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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by Tadhg555 » 18:36 Wed 15 May 2019

Sounds good. I just hope my sons grow to love port!

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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by AHB » 21:22 Wed 15 May 2019

I was advised a few days ago that Casa Santa Eufemia will not be offering a 2017 Vintage Port.
Top Ports in 2018 (so far): Niepoort VV (1960's Bottling), Quinta do Noval Nacional 1994 and San Leonardo Very Old White (Bottled 2018)
2017 Ports of the year: Fonseca 1927 and Quinta do Noval 1927

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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by AHB » 21:20 Fri 17 May 2019

La Rosa added to the declaration list after receiving an offer from BB&R
Top Ports in 2018 (so far): Niepoort VV (1960's Bottling), Quinta do Noval Nacional 1994 and San Leonardo Very Old White (Bottled 2018)
2017 Ports of the year: Fonseca 1927 and Quinta do Noval 1927

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Post by Axel P » 13:59 Mon 20 May 2019

Sogrape only with 2 Single Quintas...
For the first time ever in a general declared year. (?).
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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by AHB » 11:03 Tue 21 May 2019

Added Bulas after a chat with them yesterday, although it will probably be a late release.

Added Feuerheerd after a mailshot from Farr Vintners
Top Ports in 2018 (so far): Niepoort VV (1960's Bottling), Quinta do Noval Nacional 1994 and San Leonardo Very Old White (Bottled 2018)
2017 Ports of the year: Fonseca 1927 and Quinta do Noval 1927

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Re: 2017 Declarations

Post by RonnieRoots » 05:49 Wed 22 May 2019

Axel P wrote:
13:59 Mon 20 May 2019
Sogrape only with 2 Single Quintas...
For the first time ever in a general declared year. (?).
Do you know the reason for this? Did they not get the quality they wanted or a commercial reason?

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