Weds 14 March 2018, Blind, SQVP or a mature LBV

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Weds 14 March 2018, Blind, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by flash_uk » 13:53 Tue 16 Jan 2018

When: 6½pm Wednesday 14th March 2018.

Where: Red Room, Boot & Flogger, SE1 1TA.

Theme: Blind, SQVP or a mature LBV

mature LBV defined as older than 1990.

Who:
  1. MPM;
  2. IDJ;
  3. CPR;
  4. SCD;
  5. DRL;
  6. JDAW;
  7. DG.

Possibly:
  1. DRT;
  2. AHB.
Draft of the food order.

Draft of the placemats (and parameters by which made)
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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by flash_uk » 13:53 Tue 16 Jan 2018

How does this date suit for folks?

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by idj123 » 14:23 Tue 16 Jan 2018

Ok by me. SQVP may be easier than mature LBV.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by CPR 1 » 14:24 Tue 16 Jan 2018

Works for me, yes please

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by Doggett » 16:46 Tue 16 Jan 2018

Yes please

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by forest26 » 18:33 Tue 16 Jan 2018

Ok by me

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by DaveRL » 18:42 Tue 16 Jan 2018

Sounds great, yes please.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by AHB » 20:18 Tue 16 Jan 2018

I’ll check my diary tomorrow - but could we make this a blind tasting please? Adds an extra layer of challenge to first identify whether it’s SQVP or LBV.
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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by jdaw1 » 00:10 Wed 17 Jan 2018

Will check with SWMBO = HI.

I note that the LBV must be ‘≤1989’ mature, but that there is no such requirement on the SQVP.

Is Noval SQVP? NN? V89? GM?

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by AHB » 11:22 Wed 17 Jan 2018

Better put me down as a possible. I'm already out for dinner on Thursday so may not be able to get the pass for Wednesday as well.
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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by DRT » 01:00 Wed 31 Jan 2018

Please put me down as a possible.
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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by flash_uk » 15:35 Wed 31 Jan 2018

DRT wrote:
01:00 Wed 31 Jan 2018
Please put me down as a possible.
Done. Fingers (and knees) crossed.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by flash_uk » 18:06 Wed 31 Jan 2018

Red room reserved at the B&F.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by flash_uk » 18:21 Wed 31 Jan 2018

jdaw1 wrote:
00:10 Wed 17 Jan 2018
Will check with SWMBO = HI.

I note that the LBV must be ‘≤1989’ mature, but that there is no such requirement on the SQVP.

Is Noval SQVP? NN? V89? GM?
Was permission granted?

Hmmm. Is Noval a SQVP? I don't know the answer to that. Do they only make the port using grapes from Noval? Even if they do make it only using grapes from Noval, is that what we mean by SQVP, or do we mean the second wine from a house? Same conundrum applies to Vesuvio.

Malvedos though is a SQVP in my books.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by AHB » 23:22 Wed 31 Jan 2018

Ooh! Controversial!

If you mean second wine, then say second wine and don't say SQVP. Noval have always made their ports only from grapes grown on their quinta. For many years Graham made Graham Malvedos from grapes grown outside the quinta boundaries. SQVP excludes Fonseca Guimaraens but Second Wines would include FG (but exclude Noval, Vesuvio etc.)

I presume that SQVP means port wine made only from grapes grown within the boundaries of the quinta (the boundaries at the time the grapes were being grown). So V94 is in, No27 is in, NN31 is in; FG76 is out
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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by Constandia » 14:34 Mon 05 Feb 2018

Hi everyone, I really like mature LBV's. Is there a free space for this event?

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by Constandia » 14:52 Mon 05 Feb 2018

With regards to SQVPs , they are made quite similarly to VPs , with 2-3 years ageing in cask and no ftration prior to bottling. They are generally produced from the producer's finest vineyard in non declared years.
I would be inclined to ignore the vineyard boundaries and say that a single quinta is the best available v.p. on a non declared vintage!

A question? How about including some Noval Silval and Sandeman Vau? They are not single quintas but as mentioned previously, Noval Ports are only sourced by their vineyards. And both Vau and Silval belong to a category that is something between an LBV and a Vintage Port? Awaiting your thoughts.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by jdaw1 » 22:27 Wed 07 Feb 2018

Last week were drunk, from my cellar, three double-magnums of Sandeman Vau 2000. Plus my last Cockburn 1955.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by Andy Velebil » 05:41 Sun 11 Feb 2018

Constandia wrote:With regards to SQVPs , they are made quite similarly to VPs , with 2-3 years ageing in cask and no ftration prior to bottling. They are generally produced from the producer's finest vineyard in non declared years.
I would be inclined to ignore the vineyard boundaries and say that a single quinta is the best available v.p. on a non declared vintage!

A question? How about including some Noval Silval and Sandeman Vau? They are not single quintas but as mentioned previously, Noval Ports are only sourced by their vineyards. And both Vau and Silval belong to a category that is something between an LBV and a Vintage Port? Awaiting your thoughts.
Noval Silval's don't come 100% from the main Quinta. While I enjoy them they are no where near the league of Malvedos/Vargellas/and some others. A bit closer to a good unfiltered LBV in my experience.

97/99 Vau were, by later admission, made a bit too VP-like and have held up quite well as a result. The 2000 version was substantially different in how it was produced and is a far more earlier maturing bottle...still quite good but quite different than earlier ones.


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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by Constandia » 17:26 Tue 13 Feb 2018

jdaw1 wrote:
22:27 Wed 07 Feb 2018
Last week were drunk, from my cellar, three double-magnums of Sandeman Vau 2000. Plus my last Cockburn 1955.
How was the 2000? Must have been good to drink 3 Mags in a week lol! I really like the '99.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by Constandia » 17:36 Tue 13 Feb 2018

Andy Velebil wrote:
05:41 Sun 11 Feb 2018
Constandia wrote:With regards to SQVPs , they are made quite similarly to VPs , with 2-3 years ageing in cask and no ftration prior to bottling. They are generally produced from the producer's finest vineyard in non declared years.
I would be inclined to ignore the vineyard boundaries and
Noval Silval's don't come 100% from the main Quinta. While I enjoy them they are no where near the league of Malvedos/Vargellas/and some others. A bit closer to a good unfiltered LBV in my experience.

97/99 Vau were, by later admission, made a bit too VP-like and have held up quite well as a result. The 2000 version was substantially different in how it was produced and is a far more earlier maturing bottle...still quite good but quite different than earlier ones.


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Hey thanks! Very interesting info about the Silval. It could act as a cheeky blind tasting against an unfiltered LBV then?

I haven't tried the 2000, however the 1999 Vau is delicious and at a fraction of the price of a VP. It seems so young still and definitely needs some more time to evolve.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by jdaw1 » 11:51 Thu 15 Feb 2018

Constandia wrote:
17:26 Tue 13 Feb 2018
How was the 2000? Must have been good to drink 3 Mags in a week lol! I really like the '99.
Three double magnums, for about thirty people.

I think it does what it says on the tin. Drinks very nicely young, but is insufficiently heavy to make great old Port.

I also prefer the ’99, but none remain.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by AHB » 13:58 Sun 04 Mar 2018

I think I can upgrade myself from possibly to almost certainly
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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by jdaw1 » 22:42 Sun 04 Mar 2018

I won’t be able to access a suitable bottle in time. Please may I adopt?

The placemats added to first post.

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Re: Weds 14 March 2018, SQVP or a mature LBV

Post by flash_uk » 12:07 Mon 05 Mar 2018

Time for the food orders to be made, from the menu here please.

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