Yes.jdaw1 wrote:“Poor nose and very pleasant wine. Will last, but really also is drinkable now”?
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"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
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Now or Wow at the end? One needs to work on their Port consumption writing skills. ![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
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Yes, bad (hot considered, but bad looks right to me).
Yes, now (and the rest) looks correct to me.
Yes, now (and the rest) looks correct to me.
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"Poor nose and very pleasant" does not seem to make too much sense.
Could the first word perhaps be good?
Could the first word perhaps be good?
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That makes sense. I had not seen that at all.JWEW wrote:"Poor nose and very pleasant" does not seem to make too much sense.
Could the first word perhaps be good?
Pleased I asked.
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Richard who?
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Liss
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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I want to go with Truss. Titter ye not.
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A slight variation on a theme, but if anyone can help to decipher the text on this wax seal, it would be greatly appreciated. JDAW's sleep is rather disturbed as a result of his inability to clearly imagine what it says.
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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Alas, i am stumped. If only jdaw, before dreaming about opening the bottle, had also imagined a pencil and drawing paper with which to transfer the embossed details, however faint, onto the paper.
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I have checked back through my extensive database of tasting notes from the past four weeks and am thoroughly convinced that it says "1896 Port (probably Dow) Bottled by This Tastes Bloody Gorgeous & Co."
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
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Is the topmost character an upside-down T? If yes, then the image should be rotated (and, while I’m at it, cropped).
![Image](http://www.jdawiseman.com/2016/20161017_rotated_1896.png)
That clearly reveals — dramatic drum roll — “Limited”. So it was bottled by a merchant, not at a home.
Did that help?
![Image](http://www.jdawiseman.com/2016/20161017_rotated_1896.png)
That clearly reveals — dramatic drum roll — “Limited”. So it was bottled by a merchant, not at a home.
Did that help?
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"Ltd." Hmmm? Was that designation widely used in the late 19th century?
Can't say I've ever noticed it on a capsule of any age.
Can't say I've ever noticed it on a capsule of any age.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
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I think the "Limited" is written in full, rather than abbreviated to "Ltd".
Looking at the photo JDAW posted, to the right of limited, and facing inwards to the centre (as opposed to the direction of Limited, which is outwards), I think I can see
---C-ETY
which could be Society.
Looking at the photo JDAW posted, to the right of limited, and facing inwards to the centre (as opposed to the direction of Limited, which is outwards), I think I can see
---C-ETY
which could be Society.
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I wasn't clear. "Limited" or "Ltd" - I can't recall seeing either on a capsule.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
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Ah, got it.DRT wrote:I wasn't clear. "Limited" or "Ltd" - I can't recall seeing either on a capsule.
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Whole word, all capitals: LIMITED
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The bottom right I agree with Mike is almost certainly ETY.
The top left looks like CO OP?? (with ?? possibly ER) which could be Co Oporto, or Co Operative.
I'm unconvinced by LIMITED, though I agree it looks vaguely like MIT, possibly MIT?O, but noting that the other lettering looks to be facing out rather than inward, so this is odd.
My best guess would be a Wine Society bottle (since they are/were a co-operative) of 1896 port, perhaps Dow (since they did this, and because you told it was Dow in the first place
Anything on the (crumbling) cork?
I'll just go and dig out my case of Wine Society Dow 1896 and check the capsules... no, wait, I'm dreaming![Crying :crying:](./images/smilies/icon_crying.gif)
The top left looks like CO OP?? (with ?? possibly ER) which could be Co Oporto, or Co Operative.
I'm unconvinced by LIMITED, though I agree it looks vaguely like MIT, possibly MIT?O, but noting that the other lettering looks to be facing out rather than inward, so this is odd.
My best guess would be a Wine Society bottle (since they are/were a co-operative) of 1896 port, perhaps Dow (since they did this, and because you told it was Dow in the first place
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I'll just go and dig out my case of Wine Society Dow 1896 and check the capsules... no, wait, I'm dreaming
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Sadly, when JDAW described the cork of his dreams to me it was shapely and attractive but unbranded.PhilW wrote:The bottom right I agree with Mike is almost certainly ETY.
The top left looks like CO OP?? (with ?? possibly ER) which could be Co Oporto, or Co Operative.
I'm unconvinced by LIMITED, though I agree it looks vaguely like MIT, possibly MIT?O, but noting that the other lettering looks to be facing out rather than inward, so this is odd.
My best guess would be a Wine Society bottle (since they are/were a co-operative) of 1896 port, perhaps Dow (since they did this, and because you told it was Dow in the first placeAnything on the (crumbling) cork?
I'll just go and dig out my case of Wine Society Dow 1896 and check the capsules... no, wait, I'm dreaming
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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Yes I also so CO--OP.PhilW wrote:The bottom right I agree with Mike is almost certainly ETY.
The top left looks like CO OP?? (with ?? possibly ER) which could be Co Oporto, or Co Operative.
I'm unconvinced by LIMITED, though I agree it looks vaguely like MIT, possibly MIT?O, but noting that the other lettering looks to be facing out rather than inward, so this is odd.
My best guess would be a Wine Society bottle (since they are/were a co-operative) of 1896 port, perhaps Dow (since they did this, and because you told it was Dow in the first placeAnything on the (crumbling) cork?
I'll just go and dig out my case of Wine Society Dow 1896 and check the capsules... no, wait, I'm dreaming
Why not THE CO OPERATIVE WINE SOCIETY LIMITED? Wikipedia notes that the Co Operative Wine Society Limited (now The Wine Society) started out with products from Portugal...
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1896s sold by the Wine Society: Cockburn (first listed in the catalogue dated February 1899); Croft (June 1907); Dow (March 1908); Martinez (March 1921); Offley (March 1909); Quinta do Roriz (March 1914); Rebello Valente (February 1899); Smith Woodhouse (July 1915); and Taylor (March 1912).
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The first word in red?
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Not enough information; is there any further writing in the same hand to help?
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A horizontal of still-young 1887s: alas, no tasting notes.
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Looks like the rest of the writing is in a different hand, unfortunately
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