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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by DRT » 17:18 Sat 23 May 2015

Thanks, Phil, that is very clear.

Now can you (or someone else) please point us to 10 such announcements or press releases that have been posted on the forum in the past 12 months?

This isn't an attempt to be awkward, I just think we need to question how much use this area would get before making a final decision as to whether or not to keep it.

I still remain unconvinced and if this is to be so tightly limited to official announcements it could easily be solved with a Sticky thread named using the same words at the top of the main Port conversations area of the forum.
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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by jdaw1 » 17:28 Sat 23 May 2015

jdaw1 wrote:Harrods is a fine store, but must we name our sub-fora after its circa 1990 wine catalogue?
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PhilW wrote:Original suggestion was a thread/area for Press releases and new bulletins; I think we have strayed in scope while trying to clarify, and in doing so have confused things. Attempt at clear suggestion:
  • Section name "Press releases and news bulletins"
  • sub-wording could be similar, e.g. "Press and announcements from the port industry" or some-such
  • Intended use only for copies of press announcements seen/copied from other websites or emails and any discussion thereof
While individual declarations could be put there if wanted, since we wish to keep a list of all declarers per year, it seems better to maintain that list as currently in conversation (or reference?) section. Regarding trawling and moving old posts on the same basis, I wouldn't worry about it; I would leave it to people's discretion and move if you feel the need from hereon as per any other thread felt to be in the wrong area.
Phil seems to want to restrict this to announcements from the port industry, rather than anything published by anybody else. I agree with that restriction.

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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by flash_uk » 17:36 Sat 23 May 2015

If it is to be restricted to that extent, then Derek's suggestion about a sticky thread makes more sense to me. Probably best in the reference section, a sticky thread called "Announcements index", where the first post contains an index to other threads, by year:
2015 announcements
2014 announcements
Etc

Those other threads can then contain all the relevant posts about announcements by the trade.

Very much like the offline summary thread we currently have.

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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by PhilW » 18:02 Sat 23 May 2015

DRT wrote:Now can you (or someone else) please point us to 10 such announcements or press releases that have been posted on the forum in the past 12 months?
Am not sure I can make that many, but a quick look reveals at least six candidates in the last six months:

Everest Dinner Party
New port bond from the Symingtons
Fonseca Bicentenary crusted to be released
1815 Ferreira to be auctioned
Fonseca Bicentennial tasting announced
Sandeman cask 33 announcement

All of the above include an announcement from port industry, generally with some discussion (so useful to have each as a thread, not just one thread with all); our current setup works ok (all from Conversation) but if we had a separate area then these could easily have been there if we feel it worthwhile for organisation, and if their number is likely to increase as suggested by AHB.

edit: make that seven in six months, I forgot Alex's latest one too.
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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by DRT » 19:10 Sat 23 May 2015

I love the irony of your first example (ignoring the crime) :D
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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by jdaw1 » 19:34 Sat 23 May 2015

Derek’s argument about the fewness of examples is starting to look right.

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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by DRT » 20:16 Sat 23 May 2015

jdaw1 wrote:Derek’s argument about the fewness of examples is starting to look right.
Perhaps a blend of Mike and Phil's ideas would solve the problem?

press releases continue to be posted in the main forum as discussion threads but we have a Sticky that acts as an index?
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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by flash_uk » 21:18 Sat 23 May 2015

DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Derek’s argument about the fewness of examples is starting to look right.
Perhaps a blend of Mike and Phil's ideas would solve the problem?

press releases continue to be posted in the main forum as discussion threads but we have a Sticky that acts as an index?
That's what I meant. Better explanation than I managed!

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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by PhilW » 11:41 Sun 24 May 2015

I'm not sure an index is especially worthwhile. To me the value of having such announcements in a separate thread is organisational, rather than to locate old ones (the latter being the primary value of an index), plus it requires additional effort (vs self-indexing by sub-forum use, if others see the value in an index for this).

I have no problem with the posts remaining in the main conversation forum if preferred.

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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by AHB » 20:41 Mon 25 May 2015

I'm becoming irritated. I get a fair number of press releases from the marketing departments of port shippers. I anticipate receiving a larger number in the future. I wish to share these with my fellow port lovers.

I had planned to start a single thread into which these would be posted and into which other forum members could paste announcements if they received the relevant emails before me.

I was willing to put these into a separate sub-forum but I'm now in danger of not knowing what the f is going on.

As far as I am concerned, I wish to create a permanent record of the documents issued by or on behalf of the port producers. There are other threads and other places for us to record that we have heard that Quinta das Flip-Flop has declared the 2103 vintage or that SFE has purchases Quinta de Vargellas but I want somewhere to record the actual official press release.

If no-one else is interested then no problem. I go back to having a single thread for all official announcements.
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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by DRT » 21:09 Mon 25 May 2015

I don't think this is anything to do with whether or not people are interested press releases. Of course we are interested in press releases, why would we not be?

The question at hand is whether they should be in one thread or a new area of the forum. I think a supplementary question is whether or not they should be discussed in the thread in which they are posted or in a separate discussion thread. If there are no rules we will have chaos, which is what we currently have.

As the originator of the idea could AHB please say how he would like this to work. We will then implement that and see how it goes.
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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by PhilW » 21:48 Mon 25 May 2015

AHB wrote:I'm becoming irritated. I get a fair number of press releases from the marketing departments of port shippers. I anticipate receiving a larger number in the future. I wish to share these with my fellow port lovers.

I had planned to start a single thread into which these would be posted and into which other forum members could paste announcements if they received the relevant emails before me.

I was willing to put these into a separate sub-forum but I'm now in danger of not knowing what the f is going on.

As far as I am concerned, I wish to create a permanent record of the documents issued by or on behalf of the port producers. There are other threads and other places for us to record that we have heard that Quinta das Flip-Flop has declared the 2103 vintage or that SFE has purchases Quinta de Vargellas but I want somewhere to record the actual official press release.

If no-one else is interested then no problem. I go back to having a single thread for all official announcements.
I am interested in hearing such news. If my suggestion of use of a sub-forum has led to the perception of a lack of interest, then please ignore my suggestion and continue as you had started with a single thread for these - I would personally certainly be interested to read them, and to contribute if I hear any such first.

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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by jdaw1 » 23:10 Mon 25 May 2015

AHB wrote:the actual official press release.
That is consistent with my stringent preference.

(Alex: we’re not trying to annoy you, honest. We want to keep these. We’re just devising process and rules.)

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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by AHB » 09:30 Wed 27 May 2015

OK. As the originator of the idea, here are my proposals:
  • We have a separate sub-forum
  • The sub-forum is used only for threads starting with official news releases or announcements from port producers, their publicity agents or retailers
  • Discussion relating directly to the announcement can take place in the thread
  • More general discussion (such as the list of shippers declaring the 2013 vintage) should take place under "Port Conversations" or elsewhere
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Post by DRT » 11:52 Wed 27 May 2015

Done - using AHB's words.
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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by jdaw1 » 14:25 Wed 27 May 2015

Two changes, without so much as a by-your-leave:
• “Press Releases & Announcements” → “Press Releases and Announcements” (to match other fora);
• “Official news releases or announcements from port producers, their publicity agents or retailers.” → “Official news releases or announcements from port producers, their publicity agents, or retailers.” (the comma added because the retailers might not belong to the port producers).

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Re: Press releases: separate sub-forum?

Post by DRT » 23:43 Wed 27 May 2015

jdaw1 wrote:Two changes, without so much as a by-your-leave
I was too afraid to risk incurring the wrath of The Originator. Well done for being so brave.
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