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Post by DRT » 01:30 Thu 21 Jun 2007

Do we want/need and guidelines around how we use the TN section?

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Post by Conky » 01:36 Thu 21 Jun 2007

Maybe you can 'recover' TN's that you have made previously, for this section. But of course, not anyone else's. Please include a Score.
Just cram them in, and we can edit and filter later. We can also work out replies, or not, etc, in the course of time. But lets get the raw material in there.

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Post by KillerB » 15:36 Thu 21 Jun 2007

Got to agree with Conky on this. It's just another section, I don't want to threaten removal of posts for not following rules, so be civil and sensible is the only rule.

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machine readable TNs

Post by jdaw1 » 19:55 Thu 21 Jun 2007

Actually, having this section machine readable would be a great joy in the future. And the time to work on that is now.
• As for webmasterlyness, there’s no harm in a standing policy of you changing thread titles to conform to generally-accepted practice.

Propose:
Title = YYYY House, where House ∈ {Taylor, Fonseca, Graham, Noval, Nacional, Dow, Croft, Warre, Andresen, Cockburn, Rabello Valente, Malvedos, Vargellas, Calem, Royal Oporto, Smith Woodhouse, Messias, …}.

The stricter the form, the more reliable the sucking-in of data.

Standardised scoring nomeclature?
• UncleTomScore=A/B
• ParkerScore=C

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Post by KillerB » 20:10 Thu 21 Jun 2007

Currently, they are all House then Year, which should work for most. The type needs to be in the title and then what to do about tawnies.

Also, do we really want to dictate in this way? I know it will make downloads easier but is that as important as encouraging TNs?

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Post by DRT » 20:17 Thu 21 Jun 2007

I think we could have hidelines rather than rules in a locked sticky at the too of the tn area.

If some don't follow them then so what? But most regulars probably will which will make searching easier.
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Post by AHB » 15:47 Thu 05 Jul 2007

So what was the final decision?

YYYY House Style

Where do the scores go? In the title? At the end of the tasting note? In what format?

Once I get some clear guidance then I will try to find some time to paste some TNs into the TN section.

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Title = YYYY House

Post by jdaw1 » 15:53 Thu 05 Jul 2007

Title = YYYY House

Score represented as one of
  • UncleTomScore = 8/9
  • ParkerScore = 99

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Post by AHB » 20:33 Thu 05 Jul 2007

So how do we distinguish between wines - do we just assume that people know that 1995 Warre must refer to the LBV? Or do we put the descriptor in the body of the tasting note?

Can I use two different scores like a Tom score AND a Parker score?

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Post by DRT » 20:36 Thu 05 Jul 2007

AHB,

I have been putting descriptors in the title - "Vintage Port" or "LBV" etc

On scores, I would say do whatever you like but keep them to the end of the note in the format or formats shown by jdaw above.

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Post by KillerB » 21:14 Thu 05 Jul 2007

So far everybody has been putting, very reasonably in my opinion, Year, Producer, Type. As it is normally only year that goes into a separate field it is important to have it in an easily identifiable place, i.e. the beginning.

I'm happy the way it is.
Port is basically a red drink

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Post by AHB » 12:39 Fri 06 Jul 2007

Thanks all. When time permits I will load up as many of my tasting notes as I can. For the moment, I have loaded up the TN for the Morgan 1991 since that is likely to prove the wine that gets drunk most often over the next couple of years.

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Post by Conky » 11:28 Fri 13 Jul 2007

Now that the Tasting Notes Section is taking shape wonderfully, whats the chance of a search facility?
With possible searches under Years, Names, maybe even scores?
I understand if its too time consuming, or a long way off, but at least we now have the raw materials to make it worthwhile.

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Post by AHB » 13:39 Fri 13 Jul 2007

I've just had a bit of a play with the site search facility and you can search just the tasting notes section of the forum - for example I have just done a search for wines from 1989.

Unfortunately, there isn't an option to only search post titles - its either "post titles and message text" or just "message text". That means that the aforementioned search for 1989 wines came up with the entire list of Derek's Vesuvio tasting notes as he included the comment in the message text that the note was taken at a tasting of a complete vertical of Vesuvio's vintage ports from the Symington era from 1989 to 2004.

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Post by DRT » 13:57 Fri 13 Jul 2007

I will amend them :wink:
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Post by Conky » 12:28 Mon 30 Jul 2007

After the discussion here, what should such a Port be classified as NV or VP. ? :?: ?

A minor techical point but will set the precedent for all future ones.

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Post by DRT » 13:06 Mon 30 Jul 2007

Taylors Quinta De Terra Feita 96 is VP

Cruz Ruby is NV

In fact, only port which is not from a single year qualifies as NV. So, all VP, SQVP, LBV, Colhieta and Garafierra cannot be called NV.

NV's that spring to mind are Ruby, Tawny, Aged Tawny, Crusted

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Post by Conky » 13:11 Mon 30 Jul 2007

Thanks. Amended.

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Post by AHB » 19:12 Mon 30 Jul 2007

Just wanted to say thanks to Admin for the index of all the tasting notes, excellent addition to the forum.

Alex
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Post by DRT » 02:10 Tue 31 Jul 2007

Great stuff, thanks.

I remain available to do some work on raw data to make it fit into whatever format jdaw comes up with.

It would be worth exploring wheter or not jdaw or someone else could come up with a TN database application that could be hosted elsewhere but exclusively accessed from here so that our TN's could be entered directly into the searchable and sortable database rather than relying on the time and skills of Admin to keep the structured version up to date.

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Post by Andy Velebil » 02:18 Tue 31 Jul 2007

Very cool, thanks for the hard work.

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Please comment on the list of TNs

Post by jdaw1 » 16:12 Tue 31 Jul 2007

Comment on this list would be welcomed.

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Post by Frederick Blais » 17:09 Tue 31 Jul 2007

Amazing work!

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Post by Conky » 17:31 Tue 31 Jul 2007

Well done.

Much easier than trawling through the jumbled original.

Will it be easy to maintain?

Although Alex did the original sorting, should the links list be given Prime spot as a sticky at the top of the section.

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“Will it be easy to maintain?†, asked Conky

Post by jdaw1 » 17:48 Tue 31 Jul 2007

Conky wrote:Will it be easy to maintain?
Alex will email me data updates from time to time (monthly?), and then it’ll be a modest fraction of an hour to put the data in the right form.
Conky wrote:Although Alex did the original sorting, should the links list be given Prime spot as a sticky at the top of the section.
Agreed.

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