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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by jdaw1 » 14:14 Fri 09 Sep 2016

idj123 wrote:I see we have settled on Mz with which I concur. I would prefer B for Burmester but more ambivalent on this one.
It’s looking like accepting the slight inconsistency of Mz and B.
idj123 wrote:I note we don't seem to have covered Quinta do Vallado? Have had some lovely aged tawnies from the producer (although they have produced some VPs).
Not many V…s have been used.: Vl? Vd? What other Quinta d… V…s might need either of these?

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Post by DRT » 14:26 Fri 09 Sep 2016

jdaw1 wrote:What other Quinta d… V…s might need either of these?
Quinta de Ventozelo.
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Post by jdaw1 » 14:28 Fri 09 Sep 2016

DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:What other Quinta d… V…s might need either of these?
Quinta de Ventozelo.
Already in.
jdaw1 wrote:Vz = Quinta de Ventozelo

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Post by DRT » 14:28 Fri 09 Sep 2016

Where is the master list?

That isn't in the list on the first page.
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Post by DRT » 14:32 Fri 09 Sep 2016

Scratch that - I now see what is happening.
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Post by Andy Velebil » 20:48 Fri 09 Sep 2016

In regards to Passadouro.

From what I recall being told Niepoort (Dirk) was helping them in their early days when the new owners took it over. IIRC Dirk also helped with the blends. That relationship eventually ended. Those earlier Ports were simply bottled and distributed by Niepoort as Passadouro did not have the ability to do so then. It is best to consider Dirk a consultant to their project.

So in that regard, ignore the Niepoort. It is, and should be, listed soley as Qt. d. Passadouro.

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Post by DRT » 23:27 Fri 09 Sep 2016

Andy Velebil wrote:In regards to Passadouro.

From what I recall being told Niepoort (Dirk) was helping them in their early days when the new owners took it over. IIRC Dirk also helped with the blends. That relationship eventually ended. Those earlier Ports were simply bottled and distributed by Niepoort as Passadouro did not have the ability to do so then. It is best to consider Dirk a consultant to their project.

So in that regard, ignore the Niepoort. It is, and should be, listed soley as Qt. d. Passadouro.
I agree with that.
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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by Glenn E. » 19:10 Mon 12 Sep 2016

jdaw1 wrote:
idj123 wrote:I note we don't seem to have covered Quinta do Vallado? Have had some lovely aged tawnies from the producer (although they have produced some VPs).
Not many V…s have been used.: Vl? Vd? What other Quinta d… V…s might need either of these?
I would use either Va or Vl, leaning toward Vl. Absent an accent, in Portuguese the 2nd-to-last syllable is emphasized. Thus "va LAH do" making the 'd' approximately the 3rd option to my ear.
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Post by jdaw1 » 19:16 Mon 12 Sep 2016

Va echoes too strongly with Vau.

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by PhilW » 19:16 Mon 12 Sep 2016

Vl sounds sensible to me. Note that there are quite a lot not in the list, but am not sure if we're trying to be completionist here.

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Post by jdaw1 » 21:05 Mon 12 Sep 2016

PhilW wrote:completionist
Trying to include all the important names, where "important" means important to me.


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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by jdaw1 » 20:59 Sun 18 Sep 2016

Sandeman Quinta do Seixo = Sx? I know that some of you might prefer SSx, but I like the brevity and mischief of Sx.

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by AHB » 06:07 Mon 19 Sep 2016

jdaw1 wrote:Sandeman Quinta do Seixo = Sx? I know that some of you might prefer SSx, but I like the brevity and mischief of Sx.
True, I would prefer SSx so as to allow distinction from FrSx which was produced in the past.
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Post by jdaw1 » 07:57 Mon 19 Sep 2016

AHB wrote:to allow distinction from FrSx which was produced in the past.
Fair: ’82 and ’83 Ferreira had slipped my mind. In which case FrS and SS.

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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by Glenn E. » 19:04 Mon 19 Sep 2016

jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:to allow distinction from FrSx which was produced in the past.
Fair: ’82 and ’83 Ferreira had slipped my mind. In which case FrS and SS.
<rubber stamp of approval>
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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by AHB » 22:10 Tue 20 Sep 2016

jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:to allow distinction from FrSx which was produced in the past.
Fair: ’82 and ’83 Ferreira had slipped my mind. In which case FrS and SS.
I'm happy with that.
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Re: Port House abbreviations

Post by AHB » 22:13 Tue 20 Sep 2016

Glenn E. wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:to allow distinction from FrSx which was produced in the past.
Fair: ’82 and ’83 Ferreira had slipped my mind. In which case FrS and SS.
<rubber stamp of approval>
Are you asking JDAW to create an emoticon for <<rubber stamp of approval>>? Please don't do that. You know what will happen if you do. There will be a new thread asking for specific parameters for the new emoticon. It will develop to be at least 200 pages long and this thread will drift way off topic.
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Post by jdaw1 » 22:20 Tue 20 Sep 2016

AHB wrote:Are you asking JDAW to create an emoticon for <<rubber stamp of approval>>? Please don't do that. You know what will happen if you do. There will be a new thread asking for specific parameters for the new emoticon. It will develop to be at least 200 pages long and this thread will drift way off topic.
We have things functionally equivalent to those: :GoldStar: :SilverStar: :BronzeStar: :VegetableStar: When they were made I was quite pleased with my file-size compression, which nobody else stopped to admire.

(And posts might be moved to Irrelevant badinage and like nonsense.)

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Post by AHB » 23:02 Tue 20 Sep 2016

jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:Are you asking JDAW to create an emoticon for <<rubber stamp of approval>>? Please don't do that. You know what will happen if you do. There will be a new thread asking for specific parameters for the new emoticon. It will develop to be at least 200 pages long and this thread will drift way off topic.
We have things functionally equivalent to those: :GoldStar: :SilverStar: :BronzeStar: :VegetableStar: When they were made I was quite pleased with my file-size compression, which nobody else stopped to admire.

(And posts might be moved to Irrelevant badinage and like nonsense.)
I request that you wait a day or so for others to respond to the humour in the thread and then please do move. Or, if you think wiser to move immediately, please make it so. I support your decision either way.
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