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Time for me to take a look and make sure I've posted all my recent notes!

Congratulations to AHB: that was the twenty-thousandth post on .

Done. Due to diligent drinking and note-taking by members of each of the two TN indexes (alphabetical, date) has grown to four posts.

Careful perusal has found some problems.

• Is Adams the same as Adam?
• 1995 Petre's Port vintage port? Allegedly by Niepoort, but not obviously mentioned on niepoort-vinhos.com.
  
  I’m going to call it ‟Petre’s” with no vintner’s website, unless somebody has a better plan.

And Vesuvio leads with 68 TNs, of which 24 are from Mr V. himself.

jdaw1 wrote:

• Is Adams the same as Adam?

Yes.

jdaw1 wrote:Careful perusal has found some problems.

• 1995 Petre's Port vintage port? Allegedly by Niepoort, but not obviously mentioned on niepoort-vinhos.com.I’m going to call it ‟Petre’s” with no vintner’s website, unless somebody has a better plan.

Petre's was a second label by Niepoort that they sometimes produced (mostly on request I guess) but never actively marketed. I don't think the label is used anymore, as they now have "Secundum".

Should they be merged? ‟Secundum (Petre’s)”?

Personally, I would not merge these ports, but keep them separate. From what I have learnt, Petre was an experiment over a handful of vintages by Dirk to see if he could make a decent but low cost house vintage port for the restaurant trade - effectively a competitor to the Buyer's Own Brands. Secundum is different. It is a Niepoort Port which carries the Niepoort name and is blended to be in the Niepoort house style, even if more approachable when young.

My vote is to keep them separate anbd to show Petre's Port as just that.

AHB wrote:My vote is to keep them separate anbd to show Petre's Port as just that.

As ‟Petre’s Port” or as ‟Niepoort (Petre’s)”? I think the latter more useful, but will defer to instruction.

I would suggest as "Petre's Port (Niepoort)" if we want to link the two together. The reason for suggesting this is that nowhere on the label is there a reference to the fact that this port comes from the Niepoort stable. Anyone finding a bottle and wanting to look it up will be searching the internet purely on the string "Petre's Port".

The sort order is separate from the name, but it looks more natural if the visual is close to the logical. Would ‟Niepoort: Petre’s Port” work perhaps with different punctuation? And you wouldn’t have to type this: just ‟Petre” would identify it to my software.

Secundum and Petre's are indeed two different types of port. Sorry if that wasn't clear from my previous post.

Alex' suggestion of Petre's Port (Niepoort) sounds most logical to me, but it really doesn't matter that much to me as long as the link with Niepoort is clearly shown.

I'm sure I could live with something along the lines of Niepoort - Petre's Port (or the punctuation that you believe is appropriate). I'm happy for you to try it and for us to see what it looks like in the next sort. Incidentally, there have been a lot of new tasting notes added recently - is it time for another update?

I can’t do my part of the update until 26th December. Perhaps Chief Admin would do his part at the last convenient moment before Boxing Day afternoon?

TN index re-made.

We lacks TNs from: ’93; ’81; ’73; ’69; only a colheita for ’61; ’59; ’56; ’54; ’51; ’49; ’46; ’43; ’39; ’36; ’28 to ’30, and too many earlier years. There are even whole decades where we have failed (e.g., the 1880s and 1840s).

jdaw1 wrote:We lacks TNs from: ’93...

I plan to open a Quinta das Licieras 1993 on 28th September 2011 so will plug that gap then, unless Tom opens his bottle first

Derek

DRT wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:We lacks TNs from: ’93...

I plan to open a Quinta das Licieras 1993 on 28th September 2011 so will plug that gap then, unless Tom opens his bottle first

Derek

Your son's 18th birthday perhaps?!

benread wrote:

DRT wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:We lacks TNs from: ’93...

I plan to open a Quinta das Licieras 1993 on 28th September 2011 so will plug that gap then, unless Tom opens his bottle first

Derek

Your son's 18th birthday perhaps?!

Correct

Something horrid has happened to the Smith Woodhouse vintage port entries in the Alphabetical TN Index

ditto Warre

Ooops. Will fix later today.

Perhaps chief admin would update my data?

Chief admin updated data, and I have updated the indexes (alphabetical, date).

There is one port which is titled "Niepoort vintage port vintage port LBV
2004: MM on 14 Oct 2008"