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As some of you know I have a bugbear about the use of the word 'Irony', particularly by football pundits who misunderstand the word and Americans who have never experienced it. Here are some examples of irony:
The Ramones had a song called "Do You Remember Rock and Roll Radio?" It was a blast against the way that Rock and Roll had changed from a raw and vibrant new music to pompous, overblown stage shows and mass marketing. Kiss did a cover version.
Alannis Morrisette had a song called "Ironic" with lots of little unfortunate stories, none of which were ironic, except maybe the crashing plane but that's a bit gruesome.
Dyslexia is a really difficult word.
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Chris Moyles, the Radio 1 DJ who spends his entire show picking on members of his team, supported the anti-bullying campaign.
Katie Price and Peter Andre asked the press to "respect their privacy" after three years of unceasing, relentless self-publicity of their marriage.
Here is a typical example of not-irony:
"Ironically, three of his four goals on this ground have been scored at this end" - John Motson (paraphrased)
Please park any examples of irony here. Any bad examples will be ridiculed, mercilessly.
The Ramones had a song called "Do You Remember Rock and Roll Radio?" It was a blast against the way that Rock and Roll had changed from a raw and vibrant new music to pompous, overblown stage shows and mass marketing. Kiss did a cover version.
Alannis Morrisette had a song called "Ironic" with lots of little unfortunate stories, none of which were ironic, except maybe the crashing plane but that's a bit gruesome.
Dyslexia is a really difficult word.
At the High Wycombe tax office, Self-Assessment is in Room 101.
Chris Moyles, the Radio 1 DJ who spends his entire show picking on members of his team, supported the anti-bullying campaign.
Katie Price and Peter Andre asked the press to "respect their privacy" after three years of unceasing, relentless self-publicity of their marriage.
Here is a typical example of not-irony:
"Ironically, three of his four goals on this ground have been scored at this end" - John Motson (paraphrased)
Please park any examples of irony here. Any bad examples will be ridiculed, mercilessly.
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Isn't it ironic, that France now has a person who drinks vintage port?
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No - pure coincidence as said person is not actually French.g-man wrote:Isn't it ironic, that France now has a person who drinks vintage port?
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no a coincidence would be that he just happens to not be french.KillerB wrote:No - pure coincidence as said person is not actually French.g-man wrote:Isn't it ironic, that France now has a person who drinks vintage port?
the above scenario is still ironic.
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Nope - no irony:g-man wrote:no a coincidence would be that he just happens to not be french.KillerB wrote:No - pure coincidence as said person is not actually French.g-man wrote:Isn't it ironic, that France now has a person who drinks vintage port?
the above scenario is still ironic.
Non-French person moves to France - it happens, not even coincidence;
Vintage Port drinker moves to France - sad, coincidence of VP drinker moving to non VP drinking country, same could be said of VP drinker in Oman, hardly even coincidence;
Vintage Port drinker moves to France intending to convert French to vintage Port - deluded.
The French drink Port but not VP so even the thing about French and their own wine doesn't hold true. There is simply no irony - there's more irony in a tea-drinker moving to Boston but even that's out of date.
Refer to original post about Americans and irony.
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My favorite example of irony, because I firmly believe that neither she nor her handlers are smart enough to have conceived of it deliberately. (Had they done so, it wouldn't be ironic.) I'm quite confident that they all thought the verses were examples of irony.KillerB wrote:Alannis Morrisette had a song called "Ironic" with lots of little unfortunate stories, none of which were ironic, except maybe the crashing plane but that's a bit gruesome.
I don't think the crashing plane is ironic, though it would have been if the guy hadn't taken the flight and had been killed when the plane crashed on his house.
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The french have a nice saying about irony. They call it "l'arme du faible".
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I’m generally insufficiently confident of my understanding of the term to describe things as ironic. But I did think ironic the parts that I have coloured green in the following. Please, correctly or incorrectly?
The BBC in a story entitled [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/8261078.stm]Crash 'led Miss Whiplash to God'[/url] wrote:Ex-prostitute Lindi St Clair has spoken about how a near-fatal crash led to her finding God.
Ms St Clair, formerly known as Miss Whiplash after claims of a string of high-profile affairs in the 1980s, was trapped in her upturned car for 22 hours after the crash.
In February, her Jeep Wrangler left the road near Risbury, Herefordshire, and plunged 15ft (4.5m) down an embankment, finishing upturned in water.
Ms St Clair said the near-death experience that led to her turning her life around.
Talking of being trapped in the car she said: "I believe my spirit left my body and I went to the place between life and death.
"I believe that is what changed my life.
"I remember the doctor looking at me and saying no, you are not dead you are alive."
At the same moment, she says, she had a feeling God was telling her she had got her life back and was asking her what she would do with it.
"I have lived a bad life," she said.
"I was vindictive and spiteful and I have been to prison.
"But now, it is the total opposite."
This week, Ms St Clair attended her first confirmation classes at her local church in Herefordshire.
In November, she will take Holy Communion, for the first time.
Now, she is looking for a "nice" companion.
"I would like a companion to live with and share my life with - someone who reads the Bible and is a good Christian," she said.
"I have always met rubbish people - now I'd like someone nice in my life."
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Sadly, incorrectly. Must try harder.jdaw1 wrote:I’m generally insufficiently confident of my understanding of the term to describe things as ironic. But I did think ironic the parts that I have coloured green in the following. Please, correctly or incorrectly?
This poor woman is very aware that she is the problem and that she was one of the rubbish people. That's just a sad story, I wish her the best in turning her life around.
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Oh. I wondered whether ‟I was vindictive and spiteful and I have been to prison. But now, it is the total opposite” suggested that she had become the sort of nice sweet person who would never publicly bad-mouth all the people she had ever met; this being nicely undermined by ‟I have always met rubbish people”.
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No, that's just a bit of afters. Leopards and all that.
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OK, then I shall continue my policy of not describing things as ironic.
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Are you being ironic?jdaw1 wrote:OK, then I shall continue my policy of not describing things as ironic.
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I was having a similar thought - I think it is quite ironic, that the thread on irony is not sure what is ironic and what isn't.smisse wrote:Are you being ironic?jdaw1 wrote:OK, then I shall continue my policy of not describing things as ironic.
Isn't that ironic?
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Arguable depending on perspective, but I don't think so.AHB wrote:I was having a similar thought - I think it is quite ironic, that the thread on irony is not sure what is ironic and what isn't.smisse wrote:Are you being ironic?jdaw1 wrote:OK, then I shall continue my policy of not describing things as ironic.
Isn't that ironic?
Part of the difficulty with irony is that it is rather difficult to create it deliberately. Thus my explanation of Alannis Morrisette's song "Ironic." Had the entire song been devoid of irony on purpose, then the name would not have actually been ironic. But since I believe that she and her handlers were clueless then the song actually becomes an example of irony. The fact that they thought the song was full of examples of irony is key.
In this case, since the purpose of the thread is to display and adjudicate alleged examples of irony, I don't think it is ironic that some people who are posting aren't quite sure what is and is not ironic.
Correct, KillerB?
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Now I disagree with this Glenn's view. I believe that the simple fact that the meaning of irony is unclear, is ironic in its own right. Thus the need for a thread to discuss what is ironic and what isn't, is ironic.
But the best way to overcome a need for irony is to have another glass of port.
But the best way to overcome a need for irony is to have another glass of port.
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Irony:
Thus a formerly unpleasant person having dig at previous contacts is not ironic, especially when she states that she was formerly horrible.
A Port drinker in France is not perverse as a concept even if they are themselves.
The perversity is all important.Oxford English Dictionary wrote:Irony n. The expression of meaning through the use of language signifying the opposite, typically for humorous effect; a state of affairs that appears perversely contrary to what one expects.
Thus a formerly unpleasant person having dig at previous contacts is not ironic, especially when she states that she was formerly horrible.
A Port drinker in France is not perverse as a concept even if they are themselves.
It would be ironic if all people understood irony as irony would then disappear in a puff of unperverted logic.Merriam-Webster American-English Dictionary wrote: Like Steely but not as refined
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Which is, I think, the point that I was trying to make above.KillerB wrote:It would be ironic if all people understood irony as irony would then disappear in a puff of unperverted logic.
The fact that we need a thread to discuss what is irony, is ironic. If the thread wasn't needed, then it wouldn't be ironic.
Perhaps I should start a new thread to discuss the meaning of tautology?
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That would be redundantAHB wrote:Perhaps I should start a new thread to discuss the meaning of tautology?
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How ironic.KillerB wrote:That would be redundantAHB wrote:Perhaps I should start a new thread to discuss the meaning of tautology?
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Nope - just a word joke.AHB wrote:How ironic.KillerB wrote:That would be redundantAHB wrote:Perhaps I should start a new thread to discuss the meaning of tautology?
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A real life example, but is it ironic?
I boarded the 07:30 National Express East Coast Line train from Doncaster to London on Tuesday this week and made my way to my usual seat in the Quiet Coach, the published rules of which are:
For the next 30 minutes the only sound I could hear was the very loud conversation of the two elderly ladies discussing how inconsiderate it was that I and many others in the coach were breaking the rules by having our phones and laptops with us
Does this qualify?
Derek
I boarded the 07:30 National Express East Coast Line train from Doncaster to London on Tuesday this week and made my way to my usual seat in the Quiet Coach, the published rules of which are:
- No making or receiving mobile phone calls in this coach. Please go to the vestibule at the end of the coach to talk on the phone.
- Use all electrical equipment in silent mode.
- If chatting with fellow passengers, please do so quietly and with consideration
for others.
For the next 30 minutes the only sound I could hear was the very loud conversation of the two elderly ladies discussing how inconsiderate it was that I and many others in the coach were breaking the rules by having our phones and laptops with us
Does this qualify?
Derek
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Yes
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Even though she has just said that she has become a new nice non-spiteful person? OK, I defer to greater expertise, but it still seems to me to meet the specification (in that, in attempting to say one thing, she has demonstrated its opposite).KillerB wrote:Irony:
The perversity is all important.Oxford English Dictionary wrote:Irony n. The expression of meaning through the use of language signifying the opposite, typically for humorous effect; a state of affairs that appears perversely contrary to what one expects.
Thus a formerly unpleasant person having dig at previous contacts is not ironic, especially when she states that she was formerly horrible.
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I think that in this case what she has demonstrated is not irony, but that she hasn't actually changed.jdaw1 wrote:Even though she has just said that she has become a new nice non-spiteful person? OK, I defer to greater expertise, but it still seems to me to meet the specification (in that, in attempting to say one thing, she has demonstrated its opposite).KillerB wrote:Irony:
The perversity is all important.Oxford English Dictionary wrote:Irony n. The expression of meaning through the use of language signifying the opposite, typically for humorous effect; a state of affairs that appears perversely contrary to what one expects.
Thus a formerly unpleasant person having dig at previous contacts is not ironic, especially when she states that she was formerly horrible.
I'm also not adept at British colloquialisms, but to me "rubbish people" doesn't sound all that spiteful especially when she's including her (former) self. Would that be similar to "redneck" and "trailer trash" in the US?
Glenn Elliott