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Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 02:31 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by LGTrotter
Oh go on, you know you want to.
In regard to deaths of people I know, me neither. I wonder if it is a primary cancer that then spreads to other, more important organs which is the thing that polishes you off.
I will always keep a pair of non-latex about me in case you change your mind.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 02:38 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by DRT
LGTrotter wrote:I wonder if it is a primary cancer that then spreads to other, more important organs which is the thing that polishes you off.
That doesn't really explain my experience of never having known a male connected in any way to my family who has died of cancer of any type.
LGTrotter wrote:I will always keep a pair of non-latex about me in case you change your mind.
This is very comforting to know. The very threat might help move things along when some of our members are lagging behind when voting for WOTN.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 10:47 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by PhilW
djewesbury wrote:That's the sort of statistic I simply don't believe is true. I can't understand how it possibly could be. A 23% increase in risk is a concept that's surely incalculable, without quantifying what each individual's risk was beforehand. Even if it's true, it's meaningless. If my risk before a drink is calculated as 0.034%, I'll be perfectly happy with a 23% increase in that risk.
Even your re-stated example is ambiguous, with the increased risk being either 0.04182% or 23.034%. I agree that such statistics need to be very clearly presented in order for the meaning to be correctly understood, and sadly this is rarely the case in journalism, especially for output where headline-grabbing is more important than providing a truthful impression.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 11:19 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by djewesbury
I have known people who died of prostate cancer, including in my own family. Does that rebalance everything?
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 11:27 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by DRT
No. It simply confirms that it does happen, albeit very rarely.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 12:13 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by flash_uk
DRT wrote:"The crude mortality rate shows that there are 35 prostate cancer deaths for every 100,000 males in the UK."
That is not 2%. It is 0.035%. Am I missing something?
There are 35 prostate deaths per year per every 100,000 males in the UK. Not per 100,000 males who died in the UK per year.
There are 10,000 prostate deaths per year in the UK.
There are 500,000 deaths per year in the UK.
So 2% of deaths would appear to be from prostate cancer. (If the cancer research website and the ONS website are to be believed)
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 12:16 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by Doggett
Does anyone know if I am more at risk from port or from the chargrilled sirloin steak (rare) that normally accompanies it? Btw please factor in that I eat lots of tomatoes (raw, cooked and processed) and always have.
many thanks,
Simon
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 13:27 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by djewesbury
Derek is innumerate.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 13:50 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:Derek is innumerate.
Yet again I find myself in 200% agreement with Daniel.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 14:43 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by PhilW
According to the
Office for National Statistics in 2014 there were 245142 male deaths of which 3682 were due to prostate cancer;
3682/245142 is
almost exactly 1.5%.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 15:12 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by djewesbury
PhilW wrote:According to the
Office for National Statistics in 2014 there were 245142 male deaths of which 3682 were due to prostate cancer;
3682/245142 is
almost exactly 1.5%.
We already established that the figure quoted was not a percentage of all male deaths, but of males in the UK.
What kind of cancer did Bowie have?
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 17:04 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by Glenn E.
djewesbury wrote:PhilW wrote:According to the
Office for National Statistics in 2014 there were 245142 male deaths of which 3682 were due to prostate cancer;
3682/245142 is
almost exactly 1.5%.
We already established that the figure quoted was not a percentage of all male deaths, but of males in the UK.
Nevertheless, 3,682 != 10,000.
So 6,318 women die of prostate cancer in the UK every year?
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 18:28 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by flash_uk
Glenn E. wrote:djewesbury wrote:PhilW wrote:According to the
Office for National Statistics in 2014 there were 245142 male deaths of which 3682 were due to prostate cancer;
3682/245142 is
almost exactly 1.5%.
We already established that the figure quoted was not a percentage of all male deaths, but of males in the UK.
Nevertheless, 3,682 != 10,000.
So 6,318 women die of prostate cancer in the UK every year?
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 19:57 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by LGTrotter
I can't see this stat on the page you have linked to. Could you point out where it is? Apologies for my blindness.
The other thing I find curious is that the cancer research numbers reference the ONS.
But I have so much to puzzle about. Such as why did I want 'Wine Journeys' by Stuart Oliver for Christmas? It has just arrived from America and I now have no idea what I wanted to read it for. It's quite good though.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 21:10 Mon 11 Jan 2016
by LGTrotter
Having looked at the linked pdf it would seem that the 3682 deaths refers to men aged 65-79. The rest of the deaths due to prostate cancer presumably coming from other age groups. 10,000 lives to fight another day, or not, depending on how you look at it.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 17:11 Tue 12 Jan 2016
by Alex Bridgeman
LGTrotter wrote: I can't see this stat on the page you have linked to. Could you point out where it is? Apologies for my blindness.
The other thing I find curious is that the cancer research numbers reference the ONS.
But I have so much to puzzle about. Such as why did I want 'Wine Journeys' by Stuart Oliver for Christmas? It has just arrived from America and I now have no idea what I wanted to read it for. It's quite good though.
Perhaps you were planning to serialise it, one page at a time?
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 15:00 Thu 14 Jan 2016
by djewesbury
Well as of today I know of another person with prostate cancer. You really must live a gilded life Derek.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 21:50 Thu 14 Jan 2016
by Alex Bridgeman
I read in a paper today (yesterday?) that drinking a glass of red wine 3 times a week and eating citrus fruit and berries prevents all erectile dysfunction forever.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 19:36 Fri 15 Jan 2016
by LGTrotter
AHB wrote:I read in a paper today (yesterday?) that drinking a glass of red wine 3 times a week and eating citrus fruit and berries prevents all erective dysfunction forever.
Yes I think I saw this piece of research from the University of Hopefully's department of Madeupology. I think they also did that work on two bottles of port a week for a washboard stomach.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 22:26 Sat 06 Feb 2016
by jdaw1
I am svelte.
Photographed in the Tower of London.
(Also discussed in
The Guardian.)
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 16:32 Wed 13 Apr 2016
by Alex Bridgeman
Excellent news. I have just read an article in the Telegraph which clearly says that eating butter is good for you and eating low fat butter substitutes will kill you.
I plan to celebrate with toasted crumpets tonight.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 22:28 Tue 05 Jul 2016
by jdaw1
The BBC, in an article entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36718347]E. coli outbreak: salad may be to blame[/url], wrote:An outbreak of E. Coli affecting more than 100 UK people could be linked to eating contaminated mixed salad leaves, public health officials say.
To date, 109 people are known to have caught the bug - 102 in England, six in Wales and one in Scotland.
South-west England has been worst hit.
E. coli O157 infection can cause a range of symptoms, from mild diarrhoea to bloody diarrhoea with severe abdominal pain.
Public Health England says it has triggered heightened surveillance and is carefully monitoring the situation across the UK.
Although the cause of the infection is not absolutely certain, preliminary investigations show many of the people affected ate salad, including rocket leaves, prior to getting sick.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 22:37 Tue 05 Jul 2016
by DRT
Presumably the Scottish patient was intentionally poisoned?
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 22:40 Tue 05 Jul 2016
by TLW
jdaw1 wrote:The BBC, in an article entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36718347]E. coli outbreak: salad may be to blame[/url], wrote:An outbreak of E. Coli affecting more than 100 UK people could be linked to eating contaminated mixed salad leaves, public health officials say.
To date, 109 people are known to have caught the bug - 102 in England, six in Wales and one in Scotland.
South-west England has been worst hit.
E. coli O157 infection can cause a range of symptoms, from mild diarrhoea to bloody diarrhoea with severe abdominal pain.
Public Health England says it has triggered heightened surveillance and is carefully monitoring the situation across the UK.
Although the cause of the infection is not absolutely certain, preliminary investigations show many of the people affected ate salad, including rocket leaves, prior to getting sick.
Indeed. My grandfather did not drink alcohol, and he ate vegetables frequently.
He is dead, and I will not make those mistakes.
Re: Alcohol and health
Posted: 00:08 Wed 06 Jul 2016
by jdaw1
TLW wrote:My grandfather did not drink alcohol, and he ate vegetables frequently.
And both my grandfathers.
TLW wrote:He is dead
And both my grandfathers.
TLW wrote:and I will not make those mistakes.
Mistakes they are — and I will not make them.