Apostrophe crimes

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by Andy Velebil » 14:33 Sat 18 Feb 2017

DRT wrote:
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RSVP me....I'll be there if I'm still sucking my share of earths air.
Darn, I was doing so good too. :oops:

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by DRT » 21:50 Sat 18 Feb 2017

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by DRT » 09:48 Sat 04 Mar 2017

LGTrotter wrote:
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Oh here you go, a link

I was thinking that the undergraduate in the first story complained of having his Cockburn 04 drunk by the rowing club. Published in 1933 that would make it just about thirty, an 85 in todays money.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by jdaw1 » 22:19 Sun 12 Mar 2017

LGTrotter wrote:
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By the way, do we have any feedback on Ms Robinson's views? (I feared another correction should I attempt the apostrophe on her first name)
Mention is hereby made of the absence of punctuation at the end of the bracketed sentence.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by LGTrotter » 23:08 Sun 12 Mar 2017

jdaw1 wrote:
22:19 Sun 12 Mar 2017
LGTrotter wrote:
18:48 Sat 11 Mar 2017
By the way, do we have any feedback on Ms Robinson's views? (I feared another correction should I attempt the apostrophe on her first name)
Mention is hereby made of the absence of punctuation at the end of the bracketed sentence.
I thought I was tying my shoelaces carefully but it seems I was only tying them together. I realise I should know this but would I have been OK with 'Jancis's on this occasion? I also wonder how I would refer to more than one Jancis with a possessive apostrophe.

Brackets, gawdelpus. I realise 'parentheses' takes longer to write but I think it is more accurate, and elegant.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by jdaw1 » 23:13 Sun 12 Mar 2017

LGTrotter wrote:
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I also wonder how I would refer to more than one Jancis with a possessive apostrophe.
There is only one Jancis who could matter on this forum. About that, you’re safe.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by jdaw1 » 23:07 Wed 29 Mar 2017

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I've rarely seen such a shoddy pile of festering shabbiness, a catastrophic display of inept and cankerous disdain, a disgusting mess which... oh hold on, you said critiqued, not criticised, I'm terribly sorry. Hmm, critiqued or praised, err... Yes, they're lovely, very good show.
I think he meant “cantankerous”. Also, an ellipsis should be a single character (“…”) rather than three dots (“...”).

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by PhilW » 10:20 Thu 30 Mar 2017

jdaw1 wrote:
23:07 Wed 29 Mar 2017
PhilW wrote:
22:32 Wed 29 Mar 2017
I've rarely seen such a shoddy pile of festering shabbiness, a catastrophic display of inept and cankerous disdain, a disgusting mess which... oh hold on, you said critiqued, not criticised, I'm terribly sorry. Hmm, critiqued or praised, err... Yes, they're lovely, very good show.
I think he meant “cantankerous”. Also, an ellipsis should be a single character (“…”) rather than three dots (“...”).
I meant cankerous; cantankerous would have worked, though would have been less pustulent.
Not all input devices support entry of ellipsis as single character - if that latter is a crime, I may be a regular repeat offender...

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by Doggett » 15:02 Tue 04 Apr 2017

A BBC quiz on apostrophe punctuation... (I shamefully only got 7/10)

http://play.bbc.co.uk/play/pen/gwcv37b8rq

And an accompanying documentary on the apostrophiser from Bristol, who would enjoy this thread and fit right in!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08kys4c

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by Old Bridge » 15:56 Tue 04 Apr 2017

As one having English as 2nd language and being a bad pupil, who would not learn grammar at school, I am happy enough with 6/10.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by jdaw1 » 17:22 Sun 28 May 2017

Two questions were badly formed, and we disagreed on the answer of one of them. Meaning that the BBC scored me 9/10.

But there are no crash helmets in the bible, so it should have been ten.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by Glenn E. » 21:13 Mon 29 May 2017

9/10 for me. Did not know that you add 's to plural nouns that do not end in s (men's team). Did get Jesus' crash helmet, but only because it looked correct and not because I knew the rule. Going by modern standards it should have been Jesus's crash helmet.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by AHB » 15:27 Wed 31 May 2017

Glenn E. wrote:
21:13 Mon 29 May 2017
Going by modern standards it should have been Jesus's crash helmet.
Modern standard presumably meaning since around 1715. The St James's district of London has been so named since early Hanoverian times.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by Glenn E. » 23:27 Wed 31 May 2017

AHB wrote:
15:27 Wed 31 May 2017
Glenn E. wrote:
21:13 Mon 29 May 2017
Going by modern standards it should have been Jesus's crash helmet.
Modern standard presumably meaning since around 1715. The St James's district of London has been so named since early Hanoverian times.
When compared to biblical times? Yes, that suffices as modern. ;-)

There have always been exceptions and still are, but I believe the general switch to 's on a noun that ends in s is more recent than 1715. I was taught to base the decision on how the word is pronounced, so even in the 1970s the change was still underway. At least in rural Nebraska. :-D
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by PhilW » 11:25 Thu 01 Jun 2017

Glenn E. wrote:
21:13 Mon 29 May 2017
9/10 for me. Did not know that you add 's to plural nouns that do not end in s (men's team). Did get Jesus' crash helmet, but only because it looked correct and not because I knew the rule. Going by modern standards it should have been Jesus's crash helmet.
Meh. 9/10 also. I was happy enough with Jesus and his helmet, but disagreed with Richard Harris and his spats (You might say Denn-is-is but you write Dennis', so why different with surname than with first name, since both are proper nouns?)

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by jdaw1 » 15:30 Sun 04 Jun 2017

AHB wrote:
15:27 Wed 31 May 2017
I feel sorry for people for whom English is a second language - and usually in awe of their linguistic capabilities.
I feel sorry for people for whom English is a first language — they have no excuse.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by Glenn E. » 18:19 Sun 04 Jun 2017

PhilW wrote:
11:25 Thu 01 Jun 2017
Glenn E. wrote:
21:13 Mon 29 May 2017
9/10 for me. Did not know that you add 's to plural nouns that do not end in s (men's team). Did get Jesus' crash helmet, but only because it looked correct and not because I knew the rule. Going by modern standards it should have been Jesus's crash helmet.
Meh. 9/10 also. I was happy enough with Jesus and his helmet, but disagreed with Richard Harris and his spats (You might say Denn-is-is but you write Dennis', so why different with surname than with first name, since both are proper nouns?)
My understanding is that currently, Dennis's and Harris's are the correct forms. The odd (per modern standards) use of Jesus' is due to the fact that it is a biblical figure. Which, of course, means that St. James's makes no sense. Because English.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by AHB » 19:05 Sun 04 Jun 2017

jdaw1 wrote:
15:30 Sun 04 Jun 2017
AHB wrote:
15:27 Wed 31 May 2017
I feel sorry for people for whom English is a second language - and usually in awe of their linguistic capabilities.
I feel sorry for people for whom English is a first language — they have no excuse.
Find the ASCII codes for me for an em-dash (and an ellipsis) and I will gladly use the correct punctuation. Until then, I will continue to be lazy.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by jdaw1 » 20:29 Sun 04 Jun 2017

AHB wrote:
19:05 Sun 04 Jun 2017
Find the ASCII codes for me for an em-dash (and an ellipsis) and I will gladly use the correct punctuation. Until then, I will continue to be lazy.
From memory: 0151 = “—”; 0133 = “…”. And curly quotation marks are 0145-0148.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by AHB » 22:45 Sun 04 Jun 2017

— … ‘ ’ “ ”

Excellent! Thank you. I shall endeavour to be correctly punctuated in the future.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by flash_uk » 22:56 Sun 04 Jun 2017

How does having the ascii codes help? Is there some way of creating the character in the post editor using the code?

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by Glenn E. » 23:16 Sun 04 Jun 2017

On a Windows PC, if you hold down the Alt key and type the number in question on the numeric keypad, the character in question will appear when you release the Alt key. That's why the preceding '0' for the em-dash is necessary.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by AHB » 12:35 Mon 05 Jun 2017

Glenn E. wrote:
23:16 Sun 04 Jun 2017
On a Windows PC, if you hold down the Alt key and type the number in question on the numeric keypad, the character in question will appear when you release the Alt key. That's why the preceding '0' for the em-dash is necessary.
This is what you get with the preceding 0: —

This is what you get without it: ù

It's magic!
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by flash_uk » 16:47 Mon 05 Jun 2017

Glenn E. wrote:
23:16 Sun 04 Jun 2017
On a Windows PC, if you hold down the Alt key and type the number in question on the numeric keypad, the character in question will appear when you release the Alt key. That's why the preceding '0' for the em-dash is necessary.
Ah OK. Was aware of that little shortcut on Windows, but was wondering if there was some way of doing that on a mobile device…

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by Glenn E. » 20:48 Mon 05 Jun 2017

On Android using the Google Keyboard, switch to number input (hit the ?123 button) then hold down the hyphen to see other options.

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