1997 Maturity Evaluation, TBH, Mon 16 June 2014

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If only the IVDP were competent enough to keep and publish the chemistry statistics (Baumé, acidity, whatever) …
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If there is a minimal chance of Andy V taking his seat at this event can I put a request for a +1 in (IJ, dexter)? If confirmed, I will cancel the tasting tentatively scheduled for Fri 13th.
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DRT wrote:Gents,

I have put myself on a self-imposed alcohol ban for the next 5 weeks and will therefore be unable to attend this event.

Please give my seat to someone on the reserve list.

I have just re-visited the first post since the early days of the organisation and am bemused as to why I offered a Croft Roeda 1997 as I have never owned one. I can only assume I spotted one online that I intended buying and then forgot.

I will happily pay someone the cost of a Croft Roeda if anyone has one to hand. If not I will arrange to have one at the tasting in my absence.

If the seats cannot be filled and my ££ are required to avoid extra cost to others please let me know.

Apologies for the withdrawal but there are good reasons for me to do this.

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You will be missed! CrR supply subsequently resolved I see. Hope we see you not long after your 5 weeks are up.
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djewesbury wrote:Sorry, the dissertation marking is coming in thick and fast and I have neglected this thread somewhat. What can I adopt?
I have sourced various bottles for this event, so no need to worry, some kind of financial rebalance will take place!
djewesbury wrote:If there is a minimal chance of Andy V taking his seat at this event can I put a request for a +1 in (IJ, dexter)? If confirmed, I will cancel the tasting tentatively scheduled for Fri 13th.
I'll check with Andy and the others on the reserve list one last time and then confirm if the place can be freed.
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flash_uk wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Sorry, the dissertation marking is coming in thick and fast and I have neglected this thread somewhat. What can I adopt?
I have sourced various bottles for this event, so no need to worry, some kind of financial rebalance will take place!
djewesbury wrote:If there is a minimal chance of Andy V taking his seat at this event can I put a request for a +1 in (IJ, dexter)? If confirmed, I will cancel the tasting tentatively scheduled for Fri 13th.
I'll check with Andy and the others on the reserve list one last time and then confirm if the place can be freed.
Thank you twice!
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djewesbury wrote:If there is a minimal chance of Andy V taking his seat at this event can I put a request for a +1 in (IJ, dexter)? If confirmed, I will cancel the tasting tentatively scheduled for Fri 13th.
Daniel - place confirmed for IJ.
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flash_uk wrote:
djewesbury wrote:If there is a minimal chance of Andy V taking his seat at this event can I put a request for a +1 in (IJ, dexter)? If confirmed, I will cancel the tasting tentatively scheduled for Fri 13th.
Daniel - place confirmed for IJ.
Wonderful! Thank you.
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I have found a source for Quarles Harris 1997, however it would cost about £64 inclusive of delivery. A case of 12 is about £240 retail elsewhere. Hmmm. I am in three minds.
  1. £4.50 each to potentially discover QH97 is not half bad, and then feeling good about buying a case for £20 per bottle seems alright;
  2. What a rip off;
  3. Do we really need another glass alongside the current 20 glasses?
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The amount of QH94 I've drunk at ≤£20 (albeit labelled as Tesco), I'm not certain I'd pay this much for 97. Very pleasant, at just over £1.40 a glass, but not necessary otherwise.
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I'm happy to pass on the chance to try QH97 after having tried 20 other different ports from the same vintage. I should have enough information to be able to judge whether the vintage is mature and drinking well before my 21st glass.
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Not enough room on the placemats. ;-)
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My guest has confirmed.
In the first post jdaw1 and flash_uk and DRT wrote:AWGH = Anthony Habert of Stevens Garnier
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jdaw1 wrote:My guest has confirmed.
In the first post jdaw1 and flash_uk and DRT wrote:AWGH = Anthony Habert of Stevens Garnier
Excellent. Once I hear from Axel, then we have attendance all sorted, with potentially one place left depending on what happens. Fingers crossed that Stevens Garnier can magic up the missing bottles also :D
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Have you decided the division into flights? And have you any comment on the draft of the placemats?
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jdaw1 wrote:Have you decided the division into flights? And have you any comment on the draft of the placemats?
Quite like the proposal of flights roughly according to expectation of greatness. This would avoid the situation of perhaps finding Fonseca as the final glass of 20. Placemats look good. One potential enhancement - do the rows need to be dovetailed so closely? If we only have three rows, then if they could have slightly more space in between then it would be easier to distinguish the flights. I will make the necessary enquiries today about physical production and media.
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jdaw1 wrote:Have you decided the division into flights? And have you any comment on the draft of the placemats?
You always insist on an accent for Cálem, yet you omit it for Roêda. Sorry. I am channelling my Portuguese teacher.
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I also have a question regarding Feuerheerd's and Passadouro's respective placings. Wasn't the Ps97 already being made by Dirk? I am almost certain I've had it and found it good. Fr is a less good proposition to my mind. Are they candidates for swapping?
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djewesbury wrote:I also have a question regarding Feuerheerd's and Passadouro's respective placings. Wasn't the Ps97 already being made by Dirk? I am almost certain I've had it and found it good. Fr is a less good proposition to my mind. Are they candidates for swapping?
Fr = Ferreira
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flash_uk wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I also have a question regarding Feuerheerd's and Passadouro's respective placings. Wasn't the Ps97 already being made by Dirk? I am almost certain I've had it and found it good. Fr is a less good proposition to my mind. Are they candidates for swapping?
Fr = Ferreira
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Re: 1997 Maturity Evaluation, TBH, Mon 16 June 2014

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For various good reasons (below) QH is off the menu.
djewesbury wrote:The amount of QH94 I've drunk at ≤£20 (albeit labelled as Tesco), I'm not certain I'd pay this much for 97. Very pleasant, at just over £1.40 a glass, but not necessary otherwise.
AHB wrote:I'm happy to pass on the chance to try QH97 after having tried 20 other different ports from the same vintage. I should have enough information to be able to judge whether the vintage is mature and drinking well before my 21st glass.
jdaw1 wrote:Not enough room on the placemats. ;-)
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flash_uk wrote:One potential enhancement - do the rows need to be dovetailed so closely? If we only have three rows, then if they could have slightly more space in between then it would be easier to distinguish the flights.
I had them dovetailed as tightly as possible, to save table space. Now less tightly.
djewesbury wrote:Roêda.
Sackcloth and ashes. And fixed.
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Right then. The prototype of the placemat on A2 has turned out very nice indeed, printed on media which is heavier than bog standard A4 paper, but not stiff card. I will have these made up on the day, with the additional aspect of having 6 inches of the white space at the bottom cut off so that there is no risk that the placemat overhangs the edge of the table.

I also propose that we adopt the pouring method used recently at the 60 vs 63 tasting, whereby bottles are circulated for self pouring in tranches (we can use the flights as a tranche), and each tranche of bottles is held on ice for a period prior to pouring.
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There has been a small accident: Stevens Garnier were also able to obtain Sandeman Vau 1997 in ¾l, and somehow I failed to refuse. Sorry folks.
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jdaw1 wrote:There has been a small accident: Stevens Garnier were also able to obtain Sandeman Vau 1997 in ¾l, and somehow I failed to refuse. Sorry folks.
Adding an extra circle has switched the layout of the placemats from three rows to four. Except that four rows holds 22, and we currently have a thirst-inducing mere 21. Oh dear. Holes are just not good. Not good.
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(See comment in the thread entitled Software that makes placemats.)
flash_uk wrote:I have found a source for Quarles Harris 1997, however it would cost about £64 inclusive of delivery. A case of 12 is about £240 retail elsewhere. Hmmm. I am in three minds.
  1. £4.50 each to potentially discover QH97 is not half bad, and then feeling good about buying a case for £20 per bottle seems alright;
  2. What a rip off;
  3. Do we really need another glass alongside the current 20 glasses?
Thoughts?
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jdaw1 wrote:Not enough room on the placemats. ;-)
is obviously invalided by recent developments. Does that mean…?
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Re: 1997 Maturity Evaluation, TBH, Mon 16 June 2014

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Surely that means we now have a space in which to put our water glass?
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