1983-1985 Double Horizontal on Tuesday 2 April 2013

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2nd April will have to be a tentative from me.
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2nd April probably works for me
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Hi,

sadly I cannot make this day. But please go ahead since my diary is anyway very convoluted these days. :(

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There are two obvious arrangements of the placemats: ‘Vintages by Page’, or ‘Vintages by Column’.

Vintages by Page
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Vintages by Column
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Which is preferred?
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Or the whole lot semi-blind?

Or semi-blind by vintage?
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Rob: that is your first post in this thread. Are you in?

My preference is sighted.
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@djewesbury:
• Please, what should we call you? And if it is ‟djewesbury”, how is the opening syllable pronounced?
• For tasting there are typically placemats (many examples), to organise our glasses, tasting notes, and everything else. Typically people are named with initials: JDAW, AHB, DRT, etc. Pray, what are your initials?
• And the placemats are chirality sensitive: are you a leftie?
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jdaw1 wrote: • Please, what should we call you? And if it is ‟djewesbury”, how is the opening syllable pronounced?
Ah yes. My cover is to be blown. Much as I would like to tell you that djewesbury is a very common Armenian name, and that it rhymes with 'risotto', the truth is that it simply comprises my initial (which stands for Daniel) and my surname..
jdaw1 wrote:• For tasting there are typically placemats (many examples), to organise our glasses, tasting notes, and everything else. Typically people are named with initials: JDAW, AHB, DRT, etc. Pray, what are your initials?
DJ. No middle name.
jdaw1 wrote:• And the placemats are chirality sensitive: are you a leftie?
In this sense, no! I am dexter.

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jdaw1 wrote:If, by Sunday, there are no strong objections to Tuesday 2nd April 2013 then that will be the date.
First post updated, as date now fixed to be Tuesday 2nd April 2013, and with other details including the ‟Current draft of the placemats”.
djewesbury wrote:Booking my flight now...
Splendid.
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Who will bring which bottles?

Tom has said that he can provide many bottles, but it would be fairer if the provision were done more equally. So, who has what ’83s and ’85s? (Obviously of those shippers who declared both.)

JDAW: F85, Mz85, T85, Ch85 and ChAA83 (not well stored and not a full declaration, so I say not Churchill).
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jdaw1 wrote:Shippers non-V.A.tastic
Beg pardon? *scratches head*

JDAW, I see your placemat software licence is 'unported'. Surely this is an oversight..?
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PhilW wrote:2nd April will have to be a tentative from me.
Now confirmed.
jdaw1 wrote:There are two obvious arrangements of the placemats: ‘Vintages by Page’, or ‘Vintages by Column’. Which is preferred?
Vintage by Page.
jdaw1 wrote:So, who has what ’83s and ’85s? (Obviously of those shippers who declared both.)
F83,W83*,D83
F85*,Ch85,G85,Ca85,W85*
*=last 1-2 bottles so pref not these if others have
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PhilW wrote:
PhilW wrote:2nd April will have to be a tentative from me.
Now confirmed.
PW is a confirmed definite tentative. Cool.
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djewesbury wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Shippers non-V.A.tastic
Beg pardon? *scratches head*
1985 has something of a reputation for suffering from volatile acidity. I have been known to send back 3 bottles of Croft 1985 at a restaurant as being just undrinkable because of the levels of VA.

However, there are also some terrific examples of 1985 ports that do not have a high incidence of VA - Taylor being one of my current drinking favourites!
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jdaw1 wrote:There are two obvious arrangements of the placemats: ‘Vintages by Page’, or ‘Vintages by Column’.
Which is preferred?
Vintage by column (and no, that is not just to be awkward!) I like the idea of being able to compare the colour of the ports from the same shipper.

Why not produce both and allow the drinker to choose which layout they prefer? Then I can do vintage by column and sit next to Phil who does vintage by page and we can compare colours on each others' pages.
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jdaw1 wrote:Who will bring which bottles?

Tom has said that he can provide many bottles, but it would be fairer if the provision were done more equally. So, who has what ’83s and ’85s? (Obviously of those shippers who declared both.)

JDAW: F85, Mz85, T85, Ch85 and ChAA83 (not well stored and not a full declaration, so I say not Churchill).
Not knowing for sure who released both vintages, I can offer the following:
1983: Dow, Fonseca, Graham, Offley, Smith Woodhouse, Taylor, Warre
1985: Dow, Fonseca, Graham, Warre
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AHB wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Shippers non-V.A.tastic
Beg pardon? *scratches head*
1985 has something of a reputation for suffering from volatile acidity.
Thanks, and pardon my ignorance.. I did check the list of forum abbreviations - one to add?

I will be travelling back from Germany so unlikely to be able to bring anything that would be good drinking (though Weingalerie in Berlin has a good selection of Vesuvios that may bulk out my bag back to Belfast..)
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AHB wrote:Why not produce both and allow the drinker to choose
I don’t like this. If we are numerous, so pre-pouring, it will confuse those distributing full glasses. Also having them matching means that I can know which glass somebody else has chosen and understand their comments and reaction.

People can express a preference. If there is a consensus, or near-census, we’ll go with that. Otherwise I’ll weigh the arguments and make a binding decision.
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djewesbury wrote:unlikely to be able to bring anything that would be good drinking
No problem. People will bring what’s most convenient, and there will be a (modest) financial rebalancing. Assume that we have about ≈1½ bottles of port per head, at an average of ≈£35-£40 each, and that you’ll have to pay for your food. So not free, but excellent value.
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jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:Why not produce both and allow the drinker to choose
I don’t like this. If we are numerous, so pre-pouring, it will confuse those distributing full glasses. Also having them matching means that I can know which glass somebody else has chosen and understand their comments and reaction.

People can express a preference. If there is a consensus, or near-census, we’ll go with that. Otherwise I’ll weigh the arguments and make a binding decision.
Further suggestion; pick either of the two methods as previously described, but reverse the order of the columns on the second page. For example, if you do that with the "vintage by page" version and then place the two pages next to each other, you can directly compare 83-85 for G/SW/F and by moving only three glasses, can compare 83-85 of D/W/T; Same theory works for the "vintage by column", with columns swapped on second page would allow comparison of all 85s and all 83s by only moving three glasses. Note, plan would likely be completely screwed in the event of this not being a 12-bottle evening, so should probably be ignored!
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jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:unlikely to be able to bring anything that would be good drinking
No problem. People will bring what’s most convenient, and there will be a (modest) financial rebalancing. Assume that we have about ≈1½ bottles of port per head, at an average of ≈£35-£40 each, and that you’ll have to pay for your food. So not free, but excellent value.
Most certainly excellent value. I am looking forward to it very much. :D
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jdaw1 wrote:Who will bring which bottles?
I have G83, T83, D85, F85 & T85.
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We are currently six people. Eight bottles on a school night should be sensible. So we need to choose four shippers. Any objection to {Graham, Dow, Taylor, Fonseca}?

If objecting, speak soon, as DRT delivering bottles to me tomorrow.
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jdaw1 wrote:Any objection to {Graham, Dow, Taylor, Fonseca}?
Not from me.
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