ACPT Port tasting, NYC, March 9, 2013

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ACPT Port tasting, NYC, March 9, 2013

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The American Crossword Puzzle Tournament is a week earlier next year, so I thought we should get the planning started for the annual ACPT Port Tasting. Hopefully the one week change won't cause us any scheduling problems.

My wife and I will probably arrive in NYC on Friday, 3/8. We could theoretically hold the tasting that evening, but last year it seemed that Saturday evening was more convenient for the locals. So this year we'll start the planning with Saturday, March 9th, and see what happens. I believe that Sandy and Ruth plan to attend again this year.

Past themes have included Taylor, Dow, Sandeman, and 20 Year Old Tawnies.

I'd love to do a Graham's vertical, so will toss that out as a first suggestion. Any other ideas?
(this theme subsequently discarded in favor of "Baga-esque")

Chosen theme: "Baga-esque"
Group A (abnormally dark): FG76, GC77, SW77, D80, GC80, KL70? (search in progress)
Group B (normal color range): D85, F85, G85, T85, GM86, W85

Guest List (last updated 2/26/2013):
1. Glenn E. (1980 Dow)
2. g-man (1976 Fonseca Guimaraens)
3. Chris Doty (1986 Graham's Malvedos)
4. Sandy (jefe7000) (1977 Gould Campbell, 1977 Smith Woodhouse)
5. Ruth (Sandy +1, see above)
6. Lamont Huxley (1985 Taylor Fladgate)
7. John M. (1980 Gould Campbell)
8. differentdave (adopting from SushiNorth)
9. ARS (1985 Dow, 1985 Graham)
10. SushiNorth (1985 Fonseca, 1985 Warre)
11. Fred (ARS +1, adopting from ARS)
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I'm surprisingly very light on Grahams, the only vintage I have is the 85 and a 79 malvedos in magnum.

I do have a buttload of warres lbvs/vps/sqvp

i think i have 74, 76, 77, 80, 81-86
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March is far for me to look into the future, but it sounds fun and I have the 70, 77, 80, 85 and 94 on hand (there may be a cheeky 83 lying about somewhere too, but it's camoflaged)
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Also have a bunch of ready warre's I'm looking to crack open (58, 66, 70, etc)

Whatever pleases
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we can continue the slow trending ny habit of tasting old cockburns

i have the 50 and 55.
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I'd be up for Cockburns. I'm not terribly fond of Warre's Ports... and since I'm also not terribly fond of Dow or Sandeman I'd like to avoid making it 3 out of 4 for these tastings.

On the other hand, I have no Cockburns available. I'd have to purchase or adopt.

Grahams I have spare bottles of '66, '77, '83, '85, '91, '94 in bottles and '85, '94, '03 in magnum. Realistically, the magnums are all still too young.
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Or we could do a horizontal of some older year, or a "decade survey" of assorted bottles... 50s or 60s would be good. I'd again probably have to purchase, but that's fine with me. This need not be a super formal tasting with a hard theme. I mostly just want to get together with the NY crowd again and drink some Port!
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Glenn E. wrote:Or we could do a horizontal of some older year, or a "decade survey" of assorted bottles... 50s or 60s would be good. I'd again probably have to purchase, but that's fine with me. This need not be a super formal tasting with a hard theme. I mostly just want to get together with the NY crowd again and drink some Port!
would sandy n co be joining us as it changes the reservation dynamics
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g-man wrote:
Glenn E. wrote:Or we could do a horizontal of some older year, or a "decade survey" of assorted bottles... 50s or 60s would be good. I'd again probably have to purchase, but that's fine with me. This need not be a super formal tasting with a hard theme. I mostly just want to get together with the NY crowd again and drink some Port!
would sandy n co be joining us as it changes the reservation dynamics
Glenn E. wrote:I believe that Sandy and Ruth plan to attend again this year.
I haven't confirmed that yet, but Sandy mentioned it again at the last tasting so I'm pretty sure they intend to attend.
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shall we try and track down some old niepoorts?

i've been curious

i only have recent vintages like the 94/97/2000
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g-man wrote:shall we try and track down some old niepoorts?
Good luck!
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As Glenn said above, we're planning to attend again. As to theme, we'll go along with whatever you decide - and either buy, adopt, or bring from our cellar the appropriate Ports.

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I'd definitely be in again this year if there's room.

Hey g-man, any chance you still have my notes from last year's event floating around?
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Lamont Huxley wrote:Hey g-man, any chance you still have my notes from last year's event floating around?
We sometimes have that problem in the UK as well. Good luck getting TN sheets a year later.

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Lamont Huxley wrote:I'd definitely be in again this year if there's room.

Hey g-man, any chance you still have my notes from last year's event floating around?
i believe I do acutally
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g-man wrote:shall we try and track down some old niepoorts?
Having gone through that experience already this year, I'll have to vote no. Old Niepoorts are both extremely rare in the U.S. and also extremely expensive. My two bottles for the FTLOP tasting with Dirk came to $1000 and were both tawnies as I couldn't find any rubies under $700 each.

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As DRT posted here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6293&start=25#p54036

Perhaps a tasting of F76, SW77 & D80 v D85, F85 & T85 would demonstrate the point?
I happen to have all in my cellar except the d80 I think i have a T85 but would need to check too.

though someone would need to point out to me what braga-esque is
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g-man wrote:
Lamont Huxley wrote:I'd definitely be in again this year if there's room.

Hey g-man, any chance you still have my notes from last year's event floating around?
i believe I do acutally
Awesome, I'd love to have them. I suppose if all works out I could just pick them up from you at the event. Better late than never :D
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Maybe a horizontal? 70 or 77 perhaps? Or maybe an SQVP theme?
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g-man wrote:As DRT posted here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6293&start=25#p54036

Perhaps a tasting of F76, SW77 & D80 v D85, F85 & T85 would demonstrate the point?
I happen to have all in my cellar except the d80 I think i have a T85 but would need to check too.

though someone would need to point out to me what braga-esque is
Those 6 sound like a great tasting to me. If you're willing to supply the bottles that will certainly make it easier for those of us coming from out of state, but if not we can almost certainly find those and order them ahead of time. We would, of course, reimburse you for the bottles either via exchange or cash. I have both a spare D80 and a spare T85 if needed.

I'm sure we could come up with additional bottles should the need arise for more than 6. If I understand the intent correctly, then I believe that GC77 and F80 would be suitable examples for the two sides of the coin.

I, too, need to have braga-esque explained to me.
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Glenn E. wrote:I, too, need to have braga-esque explained to me.
My guess:

braga-esque means something akin to a particular type of science fiction storyline (bizarre, requiring the suspension of belief, and where things are not all that they seem)!
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So the theme being a VP that underperforms vs a SQVP that over performs?

so in this case we do the F 76 and F 80?

ar ethere other examples where the seemingly underrated SQVP outperforms it's more prominent underperforming brethren?
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Croft 1975 versus Croft Roeda 1983?

Most 1975 vintages versus any non-’75 SQVP?
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jdaw1 wrote:Croft 1975 versus Croft Roeda 1983?

Most 1975 vintages versus any non-’75 SQVP?
how about the F75?? ;-)
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g-man wrote:So the theme being a VP that underperforms vs a SQVP that over performs?
That doesn't entirely fit Derek's list, as he puts forth only a single SQVP and then a mix a "overperforming" and "underperforming" Vintage Ports. Though frankly, it's difficult to call any of the Ports on his list truely underperforming. The T85 comes closest, I guess, but I would call that one merely "average" and not poor.

Also, I do not have a spare D80 like I thought. :cry: I still haven't managed to enter my tasting notes from the "Roy's Top 12" tasting last March and so my cellar records aren't completely up-to-date.
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