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Post by djewesbury » 19:27 Sat 27 Jun 2015

Aha. Thanks JDAW for drawing my attention to this, I was a little busy. Jim has been making these floor works for many years and they are often dazzling. They used to be painstakingly constructed bit by bit with PVC tape; I don't know if he still hand-makes these pieces but I suspect he might, it's all about the hours put in. And of course, it is in that sense that we really find the link to Julian's wonderful software.
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Post by jdaw1 » 00:23 Wed 29 Jul 2015

In the [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=93513#p93513]review of the tasting on 27 July 2015[/url], jdaw1 wrote:(Note to self: people complained about labelling the extra Ports with ‘¶’ and ‘§’, though didn’t mind the dagger ‘†’ and apparently don’t mind the ‘‡’. AHB repeated his dislike of Greeks: α β γ δ ε ζ η θ ι κ λ μ ν ξ ο π ρ σ τ υ φ χ ψ ω. A preference was expressed for currencies: £ $ ¥ €, perhaps in that order.)
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And there was also criticism of the typeface: /TitlesFont /Cardinal-Alternate def was not liked.

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Post by jdaw1 » 12:37 Thu 13 Aug 2015

For The Elliotts in London on 14 August 2015, two parameters were added to the code, GlassesCirclesFadingFactor and GlassesCrossedOut.
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The intention was to fade out what I’m not drinking — in this event, the Champagne that was intended mostly for our better halves.

Then we started planning a Vesuvio tasting on 24 February 2016. Bottles were missing! Some were missing because the Symingtons didn’t make them (GlassesCrossedOut), others because, as of that stage in the planning before being rescued by Axel, we didn’t have them (GlassesCirclesFadingFactor).
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Daniel and I corresponded about this:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=93953#p93953]Here[/url] djewesbury wrote:
By PM to jdaw1, I wrote:I'm not sure I like excluded years being given a space on the placemat.
Replying, jdaw1 wrote:Excluded in the sense of not made? I was thinking likewise. Excluded in the sense of our failure? We should own up to our failings.

Further comments would be welcomed on these new parameters, and on their proper use.

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Post by jdaw1 » 15:33 Mon 17 Aug 2015

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=93953#p93953]Here[/url] djewesbury wrote:
By PM to jdaw1, I wrote:I'm not sure I like excluded years being given a space on the placemat.
Replying, jdaw1 wrote:Excluded in the sense of not made? I was thinking likewise. Excluded in the sense of our failure? We should own up to our failings.
As this correspondence makes clear, I was thinking of using faded circles to admit to a failure of the team. But Glenn, during his recent visit to Davy’s Woolgate, suggested a sharper purpose. When people commit to attending a tasting, then can’t make it, and fail to send their bottles, then there should still be circles for what they promised but failed to provide. Individual rather than team shame, no doubt pour encourager les autres.

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Post by djewesbury » 15:35 Mon 17 Aug 2015

I think this is unnecessary. Most often when someone is unable to attend they give good advance notice or send their bottle on. This seems pusillanimous.
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Post by jdaw1 » 15:46 Mon 17 Aug 2015

djewesbury wrote:I think this is unnecessary. Most often when someone is unable to attend they give good advance notice or send their bottle on. This seems pusillanimous.
Sending the bottle is commendable: that would be rightly praised, not criticised. And “good advance notice” would be entirely proper.

But what about last-moment changed-my-mind hole-in-tasting people?

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Post by djewesbury » 16:03 Mon 17 Aug 2015

jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I think this is unnecessary. Most often when someone is unable to attend they give good advance notice or send their bottle on. This seems pusillanimous.
Sending the bottle is commendable: that would be rightly praised, not criticised. And “good advance notice” would be entirely proper.

But what about last-moment changed-my-mind hole-in-tasting people?
Really, when did that last happen? We are all such committed and dedicated devotees of this wondrous wine, who could imagine anyone turning up an opportunity to drink it amongst friends?
I think the placemats do not need to chastise, even latently.
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Post by jdaw1 » 16:51 Mon 17 Aug 2015

djewesbury wrote:We are all such committed and dedicated devotees of this wondrous wine
We on this side of the Atlantic, yes agreed. But there is also a ‘they’ — the all-purpose paranoid pronoun — on the other side. And, as you might have more obviously hinted, this is not yooks-zooks equivalence: the we-they distinction in this matter is all-important.

So they might wish to do things differently. We judge not.

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Post by Glenn E. » 08:59 Tue 18 Aug 2015

We often have people who bail but fail to provide either sufficient notice or their planned bottles. This likely wouldn't correct that, but would give those in attendance further information.
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Post by djewesbury » 09:12 Tue 18 Aug 2015

Glenn E. wrote:We often have people who bail but fail to provide either sufficient notice or their planned bottles. This likely wouldn't correct that, but would give those in attendance further information.
Barbarians. Greyed circles will not approach the enormities of these people. I recommend wholesale social exclusion - posters in the marketplace, silent separation at the office, shunning at the school gate. Shame them, cast them out into the wilderness for seven years, sell their belongings, enslave their children, scratch out their names from public monuments.

That usually does it.
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Post by jdaw1 » 09:16 Tue 18 Aug 2015

djewesbury wrote:Greyed circles cannot sufficiently address the misdeeds of these people.
Not just greyed: the circle would also be crossed out.

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Post by djewesbury » 09:17 Tue 18 Aug 2015

jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Greyed circles cannot sufficiently address the misdeeds of these people.
Not just greyed: the circle would also be crossed out.
A modern ostrakon. The placemats should then be eaten.
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Post by djewesbury » 09:18 Tue 18 Aug 2015

Whoops. I edited. Sorry.
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Post by jdaw1 » 12:12 Fri 21 Aug 2015

In [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=93445#p93445]the arrangement thread for the 1985 horizontal on 25 November 2015[/url], jdaw1 wrote:Draft of the placemats. (Do not print from this link. A few days before the tasting there will temporarily be a different link, to counteract problems with the caching of old drafts.)
This is intended to avoid the needless hassle of storing every version, whilst addressing the stated problem. Perhaps also see earlier discussion about versioning of placemats.

Comment would be welcomed.

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Post by jdaw1 » 09:36 Wed 02 Sep 2015

jdaw1 wrote:Re the discussion a few dozen posts ago about InlineTitles, there’s also a problem with Chrome, the PDF viewer of which mangles InlineTitles. This is known, and on 21st May a bug report was submitted.
Chrome fixed as of version 45.0.2454.85.

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Post by djewesbury » 23:54 Sat 03 Oct 2015

Loving the new version of the software. Such an improvement.
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Post by foomench » 18:41 Fri 16 Oct 2015

I've used this software many times, and as a programmer I love it.

I also have considered trying to adapt it for another use, but the time to tweak output seems a little prohibitive to me. Here is my use case: Best of show judging at a beer competition. All beers are first judged in their individual categories. Then the best of each category goes on to a best of show round. Now we have some large number (say 30) of beers to pick from, blind. But for each we have an entry number and a style (alphanumeric indicator and description, like "4A: Belgian Golden Strong"). So all the judges get out sheets of paper, draw grids, and start writing down these descriptors as the cups are poured. It is a pain and somewhat subject to error. It seems like a place for the placemat software to come to the rescue. But we don't know the BOS beers until very shortly before judging. Typing in the information into the correct spot in the PostScript, figuring out an ideal layout, and converting to a printable form takes some time.

So I've contemplated making a front end to make it easy for people to use, possibly even interfacing with the beer competition software. Features aren't key--just put in an entry indicator (for center of circle), and category (perimeter) for each beer and generate a large placemat (te.g. abloid size).

I don't expect Julian to integrate this into his requirements. I'm just thinking out loud about this.

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Post by jdaw1 » 19:21 Fri 16 Oct 2015

Please post or send me an example of the hand-drawn grid.

If you can be helped easily, it might happen.

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Post by DRT » 19:26 Fri 16 Oct 2015

I have asked for a front end for this software more than once and the idea has been rejected. I still think it is a good idea, even if only for a "Placemats Lite" version with minimal faffery.

If JDAW could put forward a stable version of the Postscript code perhaps Eric is the man for the job to create Placemat Wizard v1.0 :wink:
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Post by jdaw1 » 20:40 Fri 16 Oct 2015

DRT wrote:I have asked for a front end for this software more than once and the idea has been rejected. I still think it is a good idea, even if only for a "Placemats Lite" version with minimal faffery.
Open in your preferred text editor. Change:
Circlearrays;
Titles and Belowtitles;
Names;
HeadersLeft and HeadersCenter.
Upload to ps2pdf.com. Finished.

It is not more than a mite harder than typing the same data into an HTML page.

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Post by DRT » 20:48 Fri 16 Oct 2015

jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:I have asked for a front end for this software more than once and the idea has been rejected. I still think it is a good idea, even if only for a "Placemats Lite" version with minimal faffery.
Open in your preferred text editor. Change:
Circlearrays;
Titles and Belowtitles;
Names;
HeadersLeft and HeadersCenter.
Upload to ps2pdf.com. Finished.

It is not more than a mite harder than typing the same data into an HTML page.
Even for a seventy year old, code-illiterate, beer-enthusiast about to judge 35 beers that he has never heard of with 22 minutes to go before the tasting?

I think not.

Not everyone is you. Believe me, this would be useful to those of us who are not you.
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Post by jdaw1 » 21:08 Fri 16 Oct 2015

DRT wrote:Even for a seventy year old, code-illiterate, beer-enthusiast about to judge 35 beers that he has never heard of with 22 minutes to go before the tasting?
Yes. He could not edit the text file. He could not do it in HTML.

You seem to be under the illusion that a wizard will make things quick and easy.

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Post by DRT » 21:21 Fri 16 Oct 2015

jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:Even for a seventy year old, code-illiterate, beer-enthusiast about to judge 35 beers that he has never heard of with 22 minutes to go before the tasting?
Yes. He could not edit the text file. He could not do it in HTML.

You seem to be under the illusion that a wizard will make things quick and easy.
You seem to be under the illusion that everyone is you, or someone like you.

This is how it could help people who are not you...

Example 1:

1. Launch Placemat Wizard and choose "Easy".
2. Enter the number of drinks to be tasted.
3. Enter the number of drinkers.
4. Print.

Example 2:

1. Launch Placemat Wizard and choose "Include Drink Names"
2. Enter a list of drinks (max 50?) in one box, one name per line.
3. Enter the number of drinkers.
4. Print.

Example 3:

1. Launch Placemat Wizard and choose "Include Drink and Drinker's Names"
2. Enter a list of drinks (max 50?) in one box, one name per line.
3. Enter a list of drinkers (max 20?) in one box, one name per line.
4. Print.

Example 4:

1. Faff around with JDAW's solution.


You need to start believing that not everyone prefers option 4.
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Post by jdaw1 » 22:02 Fri 16 Oct 2015

Example 1 could be pre-canned: 4 to 12 drinks (I, II, III, IV, …); 14 drinkers (A, B, C, …, N); A4 or 8½″×11″.

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