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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 22:29 Fri 15 Jan 2016

For the sake of completeness, there is now a /A3 test PDF, with circle sizes as follows.

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On /A3 = 420mm×297mm:
13 glasses   ⇒   radius ≈ 128.918 pt ⇒  diameter ≈ 3.58″ ≈ 91.0mm 
14 glasses   ⇒   radius ≈ 122.466 pt ⇒  diameter ≈ 3.40″ ≈ 86.4mm 
15 glasses   ⇒   radius ≈ 118.978 pt ⇒  diameter ≈ 3.30″ ≈ 83.9mm 
16 glasses   ⇒   radius ≈ 113.932 pt ⇒  diameter ≈ 3.16″ ≈ 80.4mm 
18 glasses   ⇒   radius ≈ 110.614 pt ⇒  diameter ≈ 3.07″ ≈ 78.0mm 
19 glasses   ⇒   radius ≈ 107.034 pt ⇒  diameter ≈ 2.97″ ≈ 75.5mm 
20 glasses   ⇒   radius ≈ 103.868 pt ⇒  diameter ≈ 2.89″ ≈ 73.3mm 
21 glasses   ⇒   radius ≈  98.4921pt ⇒  diameter ≈ 2.74″ ≈ 69.5mm

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by PhilW » 22:52 Fri 15 Jan 2016

Just out of interest, why did you skip 17 and 19?

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Post by jdaw1 » 23:26 Fri 15 Jan 2016

PhilW wrote:Just out of interest, why did you skip 17 and 19?
Because I missed them on /USL2 = 17″×11″. Why did miss them on /USL2? Because they are the same as the +1 pattern, except with a hole for the missing circle.

But now I have checked, that isn’t true of 19 on /A3. The obvious repair has been made to PDF and table in post two above.
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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 01:34 Wed 24 Feb 2016

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=98381#p98381]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=98347#p98347]Here[/url] Chris Doty wrote:I had been thinking, given my recent adventures on the subcontinent, that we would be using some form of local script (e.g., http://www.omniglot.com/writing/malayalam.htm)

feel free to explore and revert
I have explored, and am unable to get any Malayalam script to render using my software. This is being filed under ‘known bugs about which nothing will ever be done’.
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=98390#p98390]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=98383#p98383]Here[/url] Chris Doty wrote:is this problem the same across all 345+ languages found on the subcontinent? Can't do Hindi, Kanada, tamil, etc. etc. ?
Probably. Not tested.
Chris Doty wrote:That would seem like a pretty huge limitation in your otherwise very malleable and impressive software...
Maybe. But fixing it would be a huge effort, for little gain. India is not a country of Port drinkers, nor a good place to store Port. The greater loss is the inability to handle Japanese. Indeed, for about eight years the manual has said:
JDAW, in [url=http://www.jdawiseman.com/papers/placemat/placemat.html#fonts]the manual[/url], wrote:The program was designed for left-to-right script, and the alphabets successfully used have been Roman (mostly), Greek (occasionally), and Cyrillic (rarely). Users with knowledge of PostScript who are able to assist with testing in other scripts—including right-to-left—are invited to contact the the author, perhaps after reading this request for assistance rendering “泉十段”.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by PhilW » 11:28 Mon 18 Apr 2016

Could this thread be pinned/stickied or whatever the appropriate term is, so that it sits at the top of the list of threads in this sub-forum, and is easy to locate?

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by Glenn E. » 18:32 Mon 25 Apr 2016

jdaw1 wrote:InlineTitles now back to previous true. Instead three different parameters have new starting values:

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/InlineTitlesAttemptMinimiseNumContours {InlineTitlesMaxNumberContours 2 gt  IsDistiller and} def
/InlineAboveBelowOverAttemptMinimiseNumContours {InlineAbovetitlesMaxNumberContours 2 gt  InlineBelowtitlesMaxNumberContours 2 gt  InlineOvertitlesMaxNumberContours 2 gt  or or  IsDistiller and} def
/InlinePlaceNamesAttemptMinimiseNumContours {InlineTitlesMaxNumberContours 2 gt  IsDistiller and} def
[/small]All now working well and quickly.

Please verify same.
Provided late, but confirmed and verified. http://www.ps2pdf.com will once again convert with /inlinetitles true. Apologies for taking so long to re-test, but alas I have not needed to produce any placemats for a year. :( Thankfully, I have had (and will have) a few uses this spring and summer. :D

Note to self: /inlinetitles true yields outline lettering, /inlinetitles false yields solid black lettering.
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Post by jdaw1 » 18:45 Mon 25 Apr 2016

Glenn E. wrote:Note to self: /inlinetitles true yields outline lettering, /inlinetitles false yields solid black lettering.
And, belatedly, I have realised that less ink is more white is better visibility of colour of wine.

Please post similar acknowledgement in FTLOP thread. Thank you.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by Glenn E. » 23:11 Mon 25 Apr 2016

jdaw1 wrote:
Glenn E. wrote:Note to self: /inlinetitles true yields outline lettering, /inlinetitles false yields solid black lettering.
And, belatedly, I have realised that less ink is more white is better visibility of colour of wine.

Please post similar acknowledgement in FTLOP thread. Thank you.
Done.
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Post by Glenn E. » 23:22 Mon 25 Apr 2016

While working on these placemats (final version here created by Julian) I was admiring the way that the flights are separated and thought of another feature that, while useful, might be difficult to code.

Could the flights be additionally distinguished by shading?
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Post by jdaw1 » 23:37 Mon 25 Apr 2016

Glenn E. wrote:Could the flights be additionally distinguished by shading?
Yes, with suitable parameters in the current code. But it would cause wines of similar colour to appear different — methinks not desirable. Instead the regions could be clipped, and ‘shaded’ with patterns both thin and different, as was done for the 1997 horizontal on 16 June 2014. Non-trivial parameters though.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 21:48 Mon 02 May 2016

Phil and I discussed the ‘interface’ between a Placemat Wizard and the PostScript (see thread entitled Placemats UI?). FTR, we agreed as follows.

• There will be some parameters that the Wizard changes.

• The Wizard inserts these at the start of the PostScript, above the line containing “move changed parameters”.

• The Wizard then removes those parameters from the setting. Assume the parameter is called Parameter.
◊ Find the line starting with the word (so followed by white space) “/Parameter”. That is the start.
◊ Find the next word “def” that is not preceded on the same line by a “%”. That is the end.
◊ Perhaps replace that with spaces, or with “% Parameter replaced by <Wizardname>”, truncating if necessary, padding with spaces if necessary.
◊ Optionally define two parameters in the following form:
/WizardVersionDateTimeAdobeFormat (D:201604262300) def
/WizardLongName (Wizard for placemat software by …) def
This data will appear in the PDFs log page.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by Glenn E. » 02:20 Tue 03 May 2016

My memory could be faulty, but I believe that there are parameters that depend on other parameters above the insert line.

My assumption, then, is that the wizard cannot modify either the dependers or the dependers, thus limiting the wizard somewhat.
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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by Glenn E. » 02:21 Tue 03 May 2016

Autocorrect fail via Tapatalk. Second depender should be dependee.
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Post by jdaw1 » 23:05 Tue 03 May 2016

The parameter dependency tree isn’t a problem.

Assume that, ab initio, C depends on B depends on A. The Wizard then puts B at the start of the file, and assigns it some non-depending value. That wouldn’t disturb A. And C still depends on B, and so refers to the assigned value of B. What harm done?

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 08:41 Sat 07 May 2016

Recently Glenn told me that several American placemat makers prefers the rows on the glasses pages to go bottom-to-top, rather than the standard top-to-bottom.

This is not my taste, because the glasses pages then go in the opposite direction to the TN pages, but those who enter directly to digital would have no care of that.

Alas bottom-to-top was fiddly, as it had to be entered for each possible glasses layout. That has been simplified: direction can be changed by a single ‘global’ boolean parameter.
The manual wrote:PermittedPackingStyles renamed to PackingStyles. Relatedly, the parameters /PackingNestingColumnMajor, /PackingDirectionTopToBottom and /PackingDirectionLeftToRight did exist at the level of an individual item of the parameter now called PackingStyles; there are now ‘global’ parameters of the same name, applicable unless overridden by an individual packing style.
(This post also on FTLOP—if discussing please check there for comment.)

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Post by jdaw1 » 16:01 Tue 06 Sep 2016

For the forthcoming vertical of Quinta do Noval, do experts agree that on recent Noval labels the serif font is Newton (“QUINTA DO NOVAL”)? Is “VINTAGE” in a Newton variant, and if so, which? The “2003” seems to be in a wide thin Helvetica: is it obvious precisely which variant?

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jdaw1 wrote:
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FWLIW, a link to the software thread on JancisRobinson.com.
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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 20:31 Thu 31 Aug 2017

Testing a deeper black: does CMYK print as a deeper black than RGB? Please print the first page of each and report back. Thank you

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by flash_uk » 10:54 Fri 01 Sep 2017

On my HP Officejet Pro 8600 Plus at home, RGB is considerably darker and sharper. Will bring the prints to the next tasting we attend together.

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flash_uk wrote:
10:54 Fri 01 Sep 2017
On my HP Officejet Pro 8600 Plus at home, RGB is considerably darker and sharper. Will bring the prints to the next tasting we attend together.
Wow! That is very surprising. Thank you for testing.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

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jdaw1 wrote:
20:31 Thu 31 Aug 2017
Testing a deeper black: does CMYK print as a deeper black than RGB? Please print the first page of each and report back. Thank you
Very marginal, but CMYK very slightly darker and better defined than RGB as printed on Dell C1760nw laser.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by flash_uk » 20:38 Fri 01 Sep 2017

jdaw1 wrote:
13:57 Fri 01 Sep 2017
flash_uk wrote:
10:54 Fri 01 Sep 2017
On my HP Officejet Pro 8600 Plus at home, RGB is considerably darker and sharper. Will bring the prints to the next tasting we attend together.
Wow! That is very surprising. Thank you for testing.
Maybe I'll just check that I got them the right way round.

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flash_uk wrote:
20:38 Fri 01 Sep 2017
Maybe I'll just check that I got them the right way round.
Thank you.

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Post by DRT » 12:39 Sat 02 Sep 2017

For the purposes of testing this you could force the software to output CMYK or RGB somewhere on the sheet.
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