BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by flash_uk » 22:35 Fri 31 Jan 2020

PhilW wrote:
22:01 Fri 31 Jan 2020
And BBR75 is clearly QH, either in addition to GC (if both existed) or GC is an error in their list for '75.
I have often reflected on the fact that, as brands, neither QH nor GC are underpinned by a quinta. And as such, they are essentially ports created from either purchased grapes/wines, or some ad-hoc blend of owned grapes/wines. Assuming this to be correct, I can imagine it would be easy in 1977 when bottling the 1975, to get a bit muddled about which brand went in. Or to just have two different bottlings from different brands.

Not unlike the Ts94, where we have speculation that some offerings were QH, and others W.

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by idj123 » 08:12 Sat 01 Feb 2020

PhilW wrote:
22:01 Fri 31 Jan 2020
Indeed. And we have additionally determined since that BBR47 is Fonseca, and BBR55 is Graham.

And BBR75 is clearly QH, either in addition to GC (if both existed) or GC is an error in their list for '75.

I was not aware of the other pre-47 vintages, so that is interesting and useful additional information, thank you.

p.s. Wasn't there a Berry's Own Selection which Tom brought once from a vintage which was pre-Rudd? (can't find my note on that currently)
Interesting-thanks Julian and Phil for this additional information. The list I received from BBR also initially had GC as the producer of the 75 but they have now corrected this to QH-there was no GC in addition. I was told of a reference to the BBR 55 but that they did not know the producer.

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by idj123 » 08:41 Sat 01 Feb 2020

We are full; reserve list started. First post also updated to include bottles currently held (Alex and Tony, you both mention others and so can you clarify please). At present, it looks as though we are missing 60, 83, 91 and 94.

Taking Charles's suggestion I am tempted to extend the tasting to up to including 2011. Comments on this please? Clearly, with the revealing of pre-60 vintages any of these would also be welcome!

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by idj123 » 20:23 Sat 01 Feb 2020

jdaw1 wrote:
21:43 Fri 31 Jan 2020
The Book wrote:Berry Brothers & Rudd Selection

In some vintage years there is a “Berry Brothers & Rudd” Vintage Port, sold by the eponymous wine merchant. The sources are shown, as kindly revealed by Berry Brothers & Rudd.

          The list sent by Berry Brothers & Rudd started in 1960, so did not reveal the shippers of the earlier selections: 1917, 1920, 1924, 1927, 1935, and 1955.

1960 Rebello Valente

1963 Taylor Fladgate

1966 Warre

1970 Warre

1975 Gould Campbell

1977 Quarles Harris

1980 Warre

1983 Warre

1985 Shipped by Smith Woodhouse

1991 Bottled by Smith Woodhouse

1994 Produced & bottled by Smith Woodhouse

1997 Produced & bottled by Warre

2000 Produced by Smith Woodhouse

2003 Produced by Quinta de la Rosa

2011 When we asked Charles Symington, Head Winemaker at Dow, Graham and Warre, to send in samples for our Own Selection from the superb 2011 vintage, he was happy to oblige. After extensive tasting, we concluded the wine made in the style of Graham best captured the essence of this extraordinary year with its precision, purity and power. The blend is mainly Touriga Nacional and Tinta Roriz, with a small percentage of Souzão sourced from some of the best vineyards of the Douro Superior. The nose glories in notes of gum cistus and violet, and the palate is beautifully rounded, yet with finely etched tannins on the finish – making this vintage, to my mind, the best since 1994.

          The BBR 2011 was made in the style of Graham, but might not be Graham itself.
To note that on the list supplied to me BBR 2007 was also included (bottled by SFE).

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by hadge » 12:40 Thu 06 Feb 2020

I have a BBR 94 to bring a long and if you are still looking for it

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by Alex Bridgeman » 17:49 Tue 11 Feb 2020

idj123 wrote:
08:41 Sat 01 Feb 2020
We are full; reserve list started. First post also updated to include bottles currently held (Alex and Tony, you both mention others and so can you clarify please). At present, it looks as though we are missing 60, 83, 91 and 94.

Taking Charles's suggestion I am tempted to extend the tasting to up to including 2011. Comments on this please? Clearly, with the revealing of pre-60 vintages any of these would also be welcome!
I suggest limiting the tasting to the 14 (or so) oldest bottles we are able to obtain. If that means we get to 2007 then lets extend to 15 and include the 2011 (if we have some available). But otherwise lets not be excessive and stick to the 14 oldest we can find.
Top Ports in 2019: Niepoort VV (1960s bottling) and Quinta do Noval Nacional 2017
Top Ports in 2020 (so far): Croft 1945 and Niepoort VV (1960s bottling)

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by CPR 1 » 18:32 Tue 11 Feb 2020

If still required BBR has 91 for sale on the website for a relatively reasonable £45

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by idj123 » 12:19 Sat 15 Feb 2020

hadge wrote:
12:40 Thu 06 Feb 2020
I have a BBR 94 to bring a long and if you are still looking for it
Thanks-accepted and appreciated.
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17:49 Tue 11 Feb 2020
idj123 wrote:
08:41 Sat 01 Feb 2020
We are full; reserve list started. First post also updated to include bottles currently held (Alex and Tony, you both mention others and so can you clarify please). At present, it looks as though we are missing 60, 83, 91 and 94.

Taking Charles's suggestion I am tempted to extend the tasting to up to including 2011. Comments on this please? Clearly, with the revealing of pre-60 vintages any of these would also be welcome!
I suggest limiting the tasting to the 14 (or so) oldest bottles we are able to obtain. If that means we get to 2007 then lets extend to 15 and include the 2011 (if we have some available). But otherwise lets not be excessive and stick to the 14 oldest we can find.
Alex, agreed but can people still confirm whether they have any 2000, 03, 07 or 2011 so that we have as full a picture as possible?
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If still required BBR has 91 for sale on the website for a relatively reasonable £45
Thanks for spotting Charles and agree, unless anyone already has, then a group purchase is in order. And talking of what everyone has, can everyone who hasn't already please confirm if they are able to contribute or whether they will likely be adopting ( there's obviously still time left to potentially secure something).

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by idj123 » 12:23 Sat 15 Feb 2020

And if anyone is looking to secure in the meantime suggest that we try and track down the 83 as that currently looks the impediment to having a ' straight flush'.

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by CPR 1 » 14:29 Sat 15 Feb 2020

I have the 2000

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by Alex Bridgeman » 19:07 Fri 28 Aug 2020

Ian,

I've just had an email from Berry's saying that they are reopening their cellars and entertainment spaces in St James's.

Are we likely to see this tasting take place?

Alex
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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by Justin K » 22:33 Sun 30 Aug 2020

Because of travel restrictions I wouldn’t be able to attend this even if I was on the list. I do have the 83 if it is needed and can send it to Alex. Whoever needs to adopt can provide one for me at a future tasting.

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by idj123 » 10:59 Sat 05 Sep 2020

AHB wrote:
19:07 Fri 28 Aug 2020
Ian,

I've just had an email from Berry's saying that they are reopening their cellars and entertainment spaces in St James's.

Are we likely to see this tasting take place?

Alex
Funnily enough whilst I was away on hols (until the beginning of this week) I received an e-mail from the chap at BBR who was presuming that it would be postponed. I have responded questioning whether BBR would still be able to accomodate and will expect a response on Monday (when the chap is back in). Will then confirm the position.

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Re: BBR VP Tasting-Tuesday 22 September 2020

Post by idj123 » 19:08 Mon 07 Sep 2020

As expected, BBR confirmed that it will not be presently possible to hold the tasting in the format proposed ; they can only host a maximum of 8 persons and that is for a tutored tasting. Another one to add to next year's expanding list!

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