Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by flash_uk » 13:15 Wed 19 Jun 2019

Alex, Tony - if you post or email me a list of ports I'll knock up some placemats.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by jdaw1 » 23:25 Wed 19 Jun 2019

flash_uk wrote:
13:15 Wed 19 Jun 2019
Alex, Tony - if you post or email me a list of ports I'll knock up some placemats.
Or I can. And TN threads.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by Constandia » 10:07 Thu 20 Jun 2019

Doggett wrote:
09:52 Mon 10 Jun 2019
I am both delighted and disappointed to have to withdraw from this one. The 2016 version of this was a wonderful tasting and I am gutted to no be able to compare with the 2017s, particularly with the back to back nature of the vintage declarations. But, I am delighted because we finally managed to exchange on our B&B purchase so I am completing this Thursday and welcome our first guests on Friday with all six rooms booked for 3 nights. In at the deep end, but just so glad to be swimming at all after the torturous process in getting to here. I hope it is a night of fine juice and look forward to reading the notes.
That's fantastic news Simon, wishing you all the best in your new venture. Cheers to that :CC0000: :CC0000: :CC0000:

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by AHB » 15:26 Thu 20 Jun 2019

Tony will be pulling together a food order shortly (based on the standard food order).

We have on hand the following bottles:
Bulas
Churchill
Churchill Quinta da Gricha
Cockburn
Croft
Croft
Dow
Fonseca
Graham
Graham Stone Terraces
La Rosa
Martha’s Port
Maynard
Maynard Organic
Niepoort
Pocas
Quevedo
Quinta da Sequeira
Quinta do Javali
Quinta do Noval
Quinta do Noval Nacional
Quinta do Vallado
Ramos Pinto
Ramos Pinto Quinta de Ervamoira
Skeffington
Taylor
Taylor Vargellas Vinha Velha
Vieira de Sousa
Warre

We are also hoping the following bottles we have been promised will arrive on time:
Burmester
Dalva
Kopke
Pintas
Quinta da Romaneira
Quinta das Lamelas
Quinta do Crasto
Quinta do Vesuvio
Quinta do Vesuvio, Capela da Quinta do Vesuvio
Top Ports in 2018 (so far): Niepoort VV (1960's Bottling), Quinta do Noval Nacional 1994 and San Leonardo Very Old White (Bottled 2018)
2017 Ports of the year: Fonseca 1927 and Quinta do Noval 1927

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by Constandia » 16:06 Thu 20 Jun 2019

NickA wrote:
08:31 Mon 03 Jun 2019
Could I be added please? Certainly I've written many a note before now, and have just worked my way through 6 16s so lots of relevant practice :-)
Hello, apologies for the late reply. I do hope you can still make it although it's a short notice- we have included you to the
attendees :)

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by flash_uk » 16:57 Thu 20 Jun 2019

Last year at the 2016 tasting we did sticky labels which worked very well I thought. Is that the plan again?

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by jdaw1 » 21:06 Thu 20 Jun 2019

Thirty-nine in one go?! Please sir, consider the obvious suggestion?

I have much PostScript to do this evening. Will also do this.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by jdaw1 » 00:03 Fri 21 Jun 2019

Draft of the sticky labels and TN pages, entailing some additions to the list of Port House abbreviations.

Checking and comment welcomed.
jdaw1 wrote:
21:06 Thu 20 Jun 2019
Thirty-nine in one go?! Please sir, consider the obvious suggestion?
Even if it was only thirty-eight, nonetheless, consider the obvious suggestion!

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by PhilW » 12:05 Fri 21 Jun 2019

Regarding abbreviations:
- On the placemats you have "Croft Quinta da Roêda Sērikos" whereas in the abbreviations list we have "Croft Sērikos". Please clarify/correct for consistency. If "Croft Quinta da Roêda Sērikos" then would suggest CrRS would be more appropriate (per previous discussions on preferences for brevity vs clarity for ChAA and others), though clearly if "Croft Quinta da Sērikos" or "Croft Sērikos" then CrS appropriate.
- Regarding Maynard Organic - is there also a non-organic? If not, is this not just Maynard, which happens to be organic rather than a different wine? (edit: just seen that there is; MyO agreed). Also makes me realise that we seem to be missing NiB (Niepoort Bioma) from the abbreviations list.
- RPE on your sheets hasn't been added to the abbreviations list (also noting we need to do some tidying on the abbreviations list, there are a number of out-of-order items now).

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by jdaw1 » 22:45 Fri 21 Jun 2019

PhilW wrote:
12:05 Fri 21 Jun 2019
- On the placemats you have "Croft Quinta da Roêda Sērikos" whereas in the abbreviations list we have "Croft Sērikos". Please clarify/correct for consistency. If "Croft Quinta da Roêda Sērikos" then would suggest CrRS would be more appropriate (per previous discussions on preferences for brevity vs clarity for ChAA and others), though clearly if "Croft Quinta da Sērikos" or "Croft Sērikos" then CrS appropriate.
There is an image at www.croftport.com/en/catalogue/roeda-se ... ikos-2017/:
Image
So you could criticise my more-royalist-than-the-King use of diacritics (“Croft Quinta da Roêda Sērikos”), but I suspect that there will be plenty of Fladgate Partnership documents missing the macron.

Full name added to the abbreviations list.
PhilW wrote:
12:05 Fri 21 Jun 2019
Also makes me realise that we seem to be missing NiB (Niepoort Bioma) from the abbreviations list.
- RPE on your sheets hasn't been added to the abbreviations list
NiB and RPE are on the list. Did you add them?
PhilW wrote:
12:05 Fri 21 Jun 2019
(also noting we need to do some tidying on the abbreviations list, there are a number of out-of-order items now).
I vaguely recall having sorted by the dominant word of the full name.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by flash_uk » 23:23 Fri 21 Jun 2019

jdaw1 wrote:
00:03 Fri 21 Jun 2019
Draft of the sticky labels and TN pages, entailing some additions to the list of Port House abbreviations.

Checking and comment welcomed.
Making sticky label sheets as one sheet per person is a good move, saving tedious effort cutting the label sheets into strips.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by PhilW » 23:34 Fri 21 Jun 2019

jdaw1 wrote:
22:45 Fri 21 Jun 2019
PhilW wrote:
12:05 Fri 21 Jun 2019
Also makes me realise that we seem to be missing NiB (Niepoort Bioma) from the abbreviations list.
- RPE on your sheets hasn't been added to the abbreviations list
NiB and RPE are on the list. Did you add them?
I did.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by rich_n » 11:32 Sat 22 Jun 2019

That is an extensive and very exciting list!

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by jdaw1 » 11:40 Sat 22 Jun 2019

List of links that was here re-posted, with additions, later.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by AHB » 14:40 Sat 22 Jun 2019

jdaw1 wrote:
21:06 Thu 20 Jun 2019
Thirty-nine in one go?! Please sir, consider the obvious suggestion?

I have much PostScript to do this evening. Will also do this.
Following some offline lobbying by JDAW I have come up with a plan which I’d like some comment on:

1) We are being given these bottles in order to create discussion and noise about them on TPF and elsewhere on the web, but primarily on TPF.

2) We could have bottles from as many as 40 different producers on the day. This will challenge even the most experienced of us if we are all expected to taste all the bottles.

3) We can and have managed to work our way through 20 bottles each on a night where we work hard.

4) I would like us to taste blind so we can be sure we do not suffer any sub-concious label bias.

So the plan is to divide the 40 bottles into 4 flights of 8-10 bottles. Each flight will consist of some wines from the larger producers and some from the independent producers.

Each person will be assigned a primary flight and a secondary flight which they will be encouraged to work their way through and join in on the discussion of our collective impressions on each of these wines. By combining primary and secondary flights judiciously, we can ensure that every wine is compared against every other wine by at least one person on the night.

AHB     A  b
TC      A  c
MPM     A  d
CPR     B  c
DRL     B  d
JDAW    C  d
Rich_n  B  a
WS1     C  a
DG      C  b
IDJ     D  a
Nick A  D  c


If everyone is happy with this suggestion, I'll set the bottles up either in bags or in foil so as to keep them blind.
Top Ports in 2018 (so far): Niepoort VV (1960's Bottling), Quinta do Noval Nacional 1994 and San Leonardo Very Old White (Bottled 2018)
2017 Ports of the year: Fonseca 1927 and Quinta do Noval 1927

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by jdaw1 » 15:10 Sat 22 Jun 2019

Works for me.
AHB wrote:
14:40 Sat 22 Jun 2019
I'll set the bottles up either in bags or in foil so as to keep them blind.
Presumably you will foil them all, putting the bottles into three ‘sets’: super-cuvée (Nacional; V. Vinha Velha; Capela; Stone Terraces; Sērikos); from the larger producers; from the independent producers.

Elizabeth then takes, for each letter A B C D, one or two super-cuvées and a mix of the two other sets, and affixes labels for that letter.

Since blind, the sticky labels should also be A0 … D9. Please confirm.

Edit: Sticky labels and TN pages updated for blind. Now includes bottle labels. Please check that I have the correct people.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by AHB » 15:58 Sat 22 Jun 2019

DG is Dia on this occasion, not David. Otherwise all looks to be correct.

Is anyone able to print? I won’t be going near a printer before Tuesday.

And your interpretation of the plan looks wonderful, but won’t work since Tony has at least half of the bottles.
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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by flash_uk » 16:14 Sat 22 Jun 2019

AHB wrote:
15:58 Sat 22 Jun 2019
Is anyone able to print? I won’t be going near a printer before Tuesday.
I should be OK to print.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by flash_uk » 16:17 Sat 22 Jun 2019

Do we have a start time for Tuesday? Is it the usual 6.30pm?

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by jdaw1 » 17:34 Sat 22 Jun 2019

flash_uk wrote:
16:14 Sat 22 Jun 2019
I should be OK to print.
The document uses both sizes of sticky labels: eight per A4; and sixty-five per A4.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by AHB » 19:11 Sat 22 Jun 2019

flash_uk wrote:
16:17 Sat 22 Jun 2019
Do we have a start time for Tuesday? Is it the usual 6.30pm?
Start time is 6.30pm

Three additional guidelines:
- spitting to be encouraged. This is a tasting, not one of our normal drinking evenings.
- small sample pours. This is a tasting, not one of our normal drinking evenings.
- no wine of the night voting. We are not trying to say which of these wines is the best or will be the best in 50 years. Instead we want to stimulate discussion and recognise different palates appreciate different aspects of different wines. All are welcome to score the wines individually in their notes. Often the differences in individual scores stimulates useful discussion - see the differences between Andy’s scores and mine as an example.
Top Ports in 2018 (so far): Niepoort VV (1960's Bottling), Quinta do Noval Nacional 1994 and San Leonardo Very Old White (Bottled 2018)
2017 Ports of the year: Fonseca 1927 and Quinta do Noval 1927

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by rich_n » 20:50 Sat 22 Jun 2019

Will there be the chance to taste specific wines at the end of the night? I'm looking to try 4 in particular to help with a personal purchasing decision (and would also love to try the other super-cuvees that won't be in my assigned flights). Since this is my first tasting I'll obviously follow whatever approach is deemed best but I am rather keen to ensure I taste some ports that I'm potentially going to look to add to my en primeur purchases so far.

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Re: Tue 25 June 2019 - 2017 Vintage Ports

Post by jdaw1 » 21:00 Sat 22 Jun 2019

AHB wrote:
19:11 Sat 22 Jun 2019
- no wine of the night voting.
Vote-recorder pages removed from the document.

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Post by DaveRL » 21:58 Sat 22 Jun 2019

rich_n wrote:Will there be the chance to taste specific wines at the end of the night? I'm looking to try 4 in particular to help with a personal purchasing decision (and would also love to try the other super-cuvees that won't be in my assigned flights). Since this is my first tasting I'll obviously follow whatever approach is deemed best but I am rather keen to ensure I taste some ports that I'm potentially going to look to add to my en primeur purchases so far.
I'm also wondering if I can try specific wines after the blind session. Could be fun.

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Post by DaveRL » 22:04 Sat 22 Jun 2019


AHB wrote:
flash_uk wrote:
16:17 Sat 22 Jun 2019
Do we have a start time for Tuesday? Is it the usual 6.30pm?
Start time is 6.30pm

Three additional guidelines:
- spitting to be encouraged. This is a tasting, not one of our normal drinking evenings.
- small sample pours. This is a tasting, not one of our normal drinking evenings.
Very sensible. Certainly understand. Might I mention Mrs L is laughing at my route to understanding, and approves that I am not trying and drinking 39 Ports in one night. She had wondered if I would make it out of the pub let alone get home.

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