A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by idj123 » 19:04 Wed 29 Jan 2020

Yes,confirmed-thanks Mike.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by flash_uk » 19:17 Wed 29 Jan 2020

gerwin.degraaf wrote:
16:47 Wed 29 Jan 2020
Arghh, I can't make this (these) date(s), due to other obligations
Sorry the dates haven’t worked Gerwin.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by Justin K » 21:04 Wed 29 Jan 2020

Mike,
Confirmed and thanks for organising.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by hadge » 22:10 Wed 29 Jan 2020

Dates work for me, please confirm me.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by PopulusTremula » 09:03 Thu 30 Jan 2020

Sadly I won't be able to make this. Kudos to Mike for organizing!

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by flash_uk » 09:19 Thu 30 Jan 2020

PopulusTremula wrote:
09:03 Thu 30 Jan 2020
Sadly I won't be able to make this. Kudos to Mike for organizing!
Sorry the dates didn’t work out Magnus. Hope all well with you and the family!

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by DaveRL » 17:41 Thu 30 Jan 2020

Confirmed, works for me. Thanks for organising.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by Doggett » 23:04 Thu 30 Jan 2020

Confirmed. Thank you and well done on the navigation Mike. Would like to offer a Warre 1970 if possible.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by AHB » 08:03 Fri 31 Jan 2020

Yes please. Confirmed.
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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by forest26 » 10:24 Fri 31 Jan 2020

Moving on to assembling the cast.
Tier 1 should be easy...

From Tier 2 I have:

- Burmester (Library release)
- BBR Own Selection (same case 2 bottles)
- Delaforce (same case 2 bottles)
- Roeda (Magnum)
- Gonzalez Byas (same case)
- Messias Cachao (same case) - I am pretty sure Messias only produced a Cachao
- Krohn (same case) .

Possibly I can get the other sogevinous wines Calem / Kopke / St Luiz /Barros?

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Tiers 1 & 2, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by flash_uk » 10:32 Fri 31 Jan 2020

Thanks Tony. Give me a couple of weeks to finalise who has what and I'll be in touch about sourcing others.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by Caparica » 13:19 Fri 31 Jan 2020

Count me in please...will check the ones i have

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by nac » 14:02 Fri 31 Jan 2020

Mike

Have the following (all bottles) that probably meet requirements for the tasting(s):

Tier 1 & 2
2+ Dow (from the same case as the bottle tasted on 9 Jan)
2+ Morgan (from the Christie's clear-out sale)
2+ Cockburn (2016 release, direct from C&B)
2+ Warre Private Cellar (2016 release, direct from C&B)
2+ Noval (Churton's bottling - all purchased together & look identical, but can't absolutely confirm they came from the same case)
2 Rebello Valente (same auction lot and look identical, but...)
2+ Croft (from a previously unopened OWC - quality can be corroborated by PhilW)

Tier 3
1 Royal Oporto (final bottle from an OWC purchased at Christie's many years ago).

Neil

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by flash_uk » 18:30 Fri 31 Jan 2020

For those who attended the 1970 horizontal in 2009, can you recall if the Messias was not actually Messias Cachão? This post seems to confirm that there was no 1970 Messias.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by jdaw1 » 21:03 Fri 31 Jan 2020

I have Kopke St Luiz and Gonzalez Byass, both from known good stock, with back-up bottles available.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by jdaw1 » 21:04 Fri 31 Jan 2020

flash_uk wrote:
18:30 Fri 31 Jan 2020
For those who attended the 1970 horizontal in 2009, can you recall if the Messias was not actually Messias Cachão? This post seems to confirm that there was no 1970 Messias.
jdaw1 wrote:
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Yes, it was Cachão.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by flash_uk » 21:11 Fri 31 Jan 2020

jdaw1 wrote:
21:04 Fri 31 Jan 2020
Yes, it was Cachão.
In which case I will amend the tasting note title. Will TN index updates cope with that?

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by AHB » 23:06 Fri 31 Jan 2020

I have a note from a tasting in 2011 that there is a Messias 1970. Most of the grapes for this wine came from Quinta do Cachão but the blend also included some old vine lotes which had been bought in from farmers who were long-standing suppliers of grapes and wine to Messias but with land outside Cachão and therefore the wine could not strictly be called Quinta do Cachão. My notes also suggest that only 500 cases (of 12 bottles) of the Messias blend were made that vintage - and my notes were based on a conversation with someone who I am entirely confident who knew what they were talking about in substantial detail.
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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by flash_uk » 23:14 Fri 31 Jan 2020

AHB wrote:
23:06 Fri 31 Jan 2020
I have a note from a tasting in 2011 that there is a Messias 1970. Most of the grapes for this wine came from Quinta do Cachão but the blend also included some old vine lotes which had been bought in from farmers who were long-standing suppliers of grapes and wine to Messias but with land outside Cachão and therefore the wine could not strictly be called Quinta do Cachão. My notes also suggest that only 500 cases (of 12 bottles) of the Messias blend were made that vintage - and my notes were based on a conversation with someone who I am entirely confident who knew what they were talking about in substantial detail.
Thanks you for this wonderful insight Alex. I think this means we will continue the hunt for a 1970 Messias, while the TN for the mentioned above still needs amendment.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by benread » 00:45 Sat 01 Feb 2020

flash_uk wrote:For those who attended the [url=viewtopic.php?p=21337#p21337]1970 horizontal in 2009.
On a related matter, I recall making an oath to myself never to knowing be in the vicinity of Hutchison 70 again!



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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by flash_uk » 14:17 Sat 01 Feb 2020

@JDAW, I'm now a bit confused. Above, you say that the bottle at the 30 Jan 2009 tasting was actually Cachão, linking to a picture of a Cachão bottle. But that picture comes from a separate bottle tasted in April 2009, where the tasting note laments that Cachão was missing from the 30 Jan 2009 tasting. Could you recheck?

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by winesecretary » 18:36 Sat 01 Feb 2020

Of same-case 1970s, I have only Gonzalez Byass. I could easily provide 2 plus a backup bottle.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by flash_uk » 20:05 Sat 01 Feb 2020

winesecretary wrote:
18:36 Sat 01 Feb 2020
Of same-case 1970s, I have only Gonzalez Byass. I could easily provide 2 plus a backup bottle.
Fantastic. Many thanks.

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by idj123 » 20:20 Sat 01 Feb 2020

For the tier two Ports I can currently offer two bottles from the same stash for:

GB
CrR
Kr

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Re: A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

Post by jdaw1 » 01:08 Sun 02 Feb 2020

flash_uk wrote:
14:17 Sat 01 Feb 2020
@JDAW, I'm now a bit confused. Above, you say that the bottle at the 30 Jan 2009 tasting was actually Cachão, linking to a picture of a Cachão bottle. But that picture comes from a separate bottle tasted in April 2009, where the tasting note laments that Cachão was missing from the 30 Jan 2009 tasting. Could you recheck?
Re-checking, and I think you are correct.

More relevantly, I don’t recall.

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