Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by jdaw1 » 21:14 Fri 20 Jul 2018

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21:06 Fri 20 Jul 2018
I am beginning to question my belief system.

Not more than a month ago CMAG asked for advice on buying LBV. Now JDAW is campaigning for the inclusion of not one, but two 1975s in a line-up of fabulous port.

I need to go and lie down. This is too much.
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DRT wrote:
21:07 Fri 20 Jul 2018
1975: why two?
The best answer I have:
uncle tom wrote:
05:42 Sat 03 Mar 2018
My notes suggest that the '75 blossoms after a long decant.
jdaw1 wrote:
12:08 Tue 06 Mar 2018
Tom: there is a risk that we might hope for several bottles from you, and I’m reluctant to exhaust your hospitality on a 1975. But your observation is interesting.

Question for team: should we have two ’75s, a pair from the same case with similar fill levels, decanted 3 and 27 hours before?
uncle tom wrote:
15:47 Wed 07 Mar 2018
Checking my stock I notice that in case B057 I have two bottles that not only have the same visual fill level, but when inspected last April, both weighed in at exactly 1401.6g

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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 23:01 Fri 20 Jul 2018

{feigning-interest-emoticon}

Is this an experiment that can be done justice in the presence of such delights as Ck1908 and Ck1912?

Perhaps better to persuade Tom to release three or four bottles from that case on another evening with fewer distractions and with a range of decanting times and focus on that question?
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

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23:01 Fri 20 Jul 2018
Perhaps better to persuade Tom to release three or four bottles from that case on another evening with fewer distractions and with a range of decanting times and focus on that question?
No objection. But that would leave us light on quantity — doubtless to remedied in the manner suggested by the conversation ending with my question “Fair?”.

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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 23:10 Fri 20 Jul 2018

jdaw1 wrote:
23:05 Fri 20 Jul 2018
DRT wrote:
23:01 Fri 20 Jul 2018
Perhaps better to persuade Tom to release three or four bottles from that case on another evening with fewer distractions and with a range of decanting times and focus on that question?
No objection. But that would leave us light on quantity.
When I was given the job we had 14 bottles (including 2 x 1975s) and 14 mouths. We now have 15 bottles and 14 mouths, with no 1975s and a possible 16th bottle on the way.

What is the target quantity?
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by jdaw1 » 23:38 Fri 20 Jul 2018

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When I was given the job
When you were given the job, things were unsatisfactory. Already, we love you.

Some. Maybe more than that. Plus a spare.

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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by AHB » 12:11 Sun 22 Jul 2018

14 bottles for 14 people on a school night is appropriate. More is unnecessary, but desirable if rare or delicious.

I would be very interested to try two bottles of 1975 Cockburn, from the same case, with the same fill level and the same weight, side by side with one having been given a long decant and one a short decant.

But that is an academic (and hopefully delicious) experiment. It does not fit well into a Cockburn vertical back to 1896. It deserves to be the focus of an evening, not an add one which will be barely remembered.

By all means include one bottle of Ck75 as part of the vertical. But if that inclusion means foregoing the decant time experiment on another occasion, I would rather miss it out of the line-up of the vertical.
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 12:55 Sun 22 Jul 2018

AHB wrote:
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14 bottles for 14 people on a school night is appropriate. More is unnecessary, but desirable if rare or delicious.

I would be very interested to try two bottles of 1975 Cockburn, from the same case, with the same fill level and the same weight, side by side with one having been given a long decant and one a short decant.

But that is an academic (and hopefully delicious) experiment. It does not fit well into a Cockburn vertical back to 1896. It deserves to be the focus of an evening, not an add one which will be barely remembered.

By all means include one bottle of Ck75 as part of the vertical. But if that inclusion means foregoing the decant time experiment on another occasion, I would rather miss it out of the line-up of the vertical.
I entirely agree with this.

Executive decision: No Ck 1975 at this tasting.
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 09:47 Mon 23 Jul 2018

Unfortunately the Ck 1896 is no longer available :crying:

Our line-up is 1908 (Mag), 1912, 1920, 1924, 1927, 1935, 1950, 1955, 1960, 1963, 1967, 1970 & 2 x 1977. That is 15 bottles for 14 people.

The average cost per bottle is £213 and is what each person will contribute in either port, money or a combination of the two. Those who have offered bottles at a price that is higher than the average will be suitably compensated from the funds collected from those who provide bottles of a lower value or do not have a suitable bottle to offer.

I will contact each of you separately to let you know which bottles and/or how many pounds I need from you to put everything in the correct position. I intend collecting the money at the end of August.

Food and tip will be settled on the night in the usual manner and is not included in the £213.
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 10:00 Mon 23 Jul 2018

I have updated the first post to show who is contributing what.

JDAW, can you please update the placemats?
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by jdaw1 » 20:24 Mon 23 Jul 2018

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JDAW, can you please update the placemats?
Done.

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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 21:36 Mon 23 Jul 2018

jdaw1 wrote:
20:24 Mon 23 Jul 2018
DRT wrote:
10:00 Mon 23 Jul 2018
JDAW, can you please update the placemats?
Done.
Thank you.
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 21:39 Mon 23 Jul 2018

jdaw1 wrote:
20:24 Mon 23 Jul 2018
DRT wrote:
10:00 Mon 23 Jul 2018
JDAW, can you please update the placemats?
Done.
Please could you update the images in the first post to show the current placemat? I know not how.
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Re: RE: Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by PhilW » 21:50 Mon 23 Jul 2018

DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
20:24 Mon 23 Jul 2018
DRT wrote:
10:00 Mon 23 Jul 2018
JDAW, can you please update the placemats?
Done.
Please could you update the images in the first post to show the current placemat? I know not how.
They look correct to me - if still incorrect for you, you may need to reload and/or flush your browser cache.

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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by jdaw1 » 22:02 Mon 23 Jul 2018

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Please could you update the images in the first post to show the current placemat? I know not how.
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 23:10 Mon 23 Jul 2018

Ah. Thank you.
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by flash_uk » 10:50 Tue 24 Jul 2018

I think the '24 is missing from the placemat?

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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by jdaw1 » 15:53 Thu 26 Jul 2018

flash_uk wrote:
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I think the '24 is missing from the placemat?
{Sackcloth and ashes.} Fixed.

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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by PhilW » 16:28 Thu 26 Jul 2018

DRT wrote:
12:55 Sun 22 Jul 2018
AHB wrote:
12:11 Sun 22 Jul 2018
14 bottles for 14 people on a school night is appropriate. More is unnecessary, but desirable if rare or delicious.

I would be very interested to try two bottles of 1975 Cockburn, from the same case, with the same fill level and the same weight, side by side with one having been given a long decant and one a short decant.

But that is an academic (and hopefully delicious) experiment. It does not fit well into a Cockburn vertical back to 1896. It deserves to be the focus of an evening, not an add one which will be barely remembered.

By all means include one bottle of Ck75 as part of the vertical. But if that inclusion means foregoing the decant time experiment on another occasion, I would rather miss it out of the line-up of the vertical.
I entirely agree with this.
Am also total agreement with the above.

However, I would also not that it seems likely that between us we may have more than a couple of bottles of Ck75, which if so would mean we could still include this vintage in the vertical without forgoing the future experiment. Assuming this to be true, I would suggest inclusion of (a single bottle of) the '75 as within the current span of vintages and likely minimal additional cost involved (n.b. I'm not ignoring the executive decision that followed on immediately from the above, just petitioning for change).

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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 22:53 Thu 26 Jul 2018

PhilW wrote:
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it seems likely that between us we may have more than a couple of bottles of Ck75, which if so would mean we could still include this vintage in the vertical without forgoing the future experiment.
If someone has a single 1975 that they can donate please send me a note of the price and we can include.
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by uncle tom » 09:59 Fri 27 Jul 2018

If someone has a single 1975 that they can donate please send me a note of the price and we can include.
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 10:12 Fri 27 Jul 2018

Thanks, Tom

One 1975 back in the line-up.

I had inadvertently left the cost of a 1975 in my spreadsheet so the cost per person remains at £213 with the 1975 back in.

JDAW - I think we have a placemat crisis :?
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Re: RE: Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by jdaw1 » 10:46 Fri 27 Jul 2018

DRT wrote:JDAW - I think we have a placemat crisis :?
In what way was this not done last night?

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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by PhilW » 14:38 Fri 27 Jul 2018

DRT wrote:
10:12 Fri 27 Jul 2018
One 1975 back in the line-up.
Excellent - thank you.

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Re: RE: Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 16:40 Fri 27 Jul 2018

jdaw1 wrote:
10:46 Fri 27 Jul 2018
DRT wrote:JDAW - I think we have a placemat crisis :?
In what way was this not done last night?
I didn't look. Thank you.
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Re: Cockburn Vertical, Tue 2nd Oct 2018

Post by DRT » 18:13 Mon 03 Sep 2018

Time has crept up on me. I will start collecting money now.

For those coming to any tasting at the B&F between now and 2nd Oct could you please deposit your bottles in the cellar?
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